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BEOVISION ECLIPSE V2 Coming April 2020

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Sandyb replied on Fri, Feb 14 2020 8:41 AM

Yes, I think that (the two part approach) is the most likely route.

How it will look matched with a screen, who knows.

And how (or if) they incorporate a motorised wall mount, who knows.

And if the sound centre is more obviously available to buy separately from the screen, then we're not in V2 territory, but something else. Probably unhelpful to call it a Beosystem (5), as previous version did some video / image management, whereas the sound centre's dont really. Pedantic point perhaps.

Anyway, nothing soon from what I see / understand, despite those claiming ISE (?? what happened?) or April? 

 

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Interestingly, the Harmony has one Sound Center with different sized speaker panels. So you can switch sizes while retaining the Sound Center. If the redesign is something more fundamental, B&O could use the same approach?

In that case the Sound Center could also double as the much wanted “BeoSys 5” integrated in a centre speaker?

 

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vlohjr1 replied on Fri, Feb 14 2020 9:43 AM
Sandyb:

Yes, I think that (the two part approach) is the most likely route.

How it will look matched with a screen, who knows.

And how (or if) they incorporate a motorised wall mount, who knows.

And if the sound centre is more obviously available to buy separately from the screen, then we're not in V2 territory, but something else. Probably unhelpful to call it a Beosystem (5), as previous version did some video / image management, whereas the sound centre's dont really. Pedantic point perhaps.

Anyway, nothing soon from what I see / understand, despite those claiming ISE (?? what happened?) or April?

I agree . I am happy to consider the harmony for larger screen size but I want to be sure there wont be a new model/version in the near future say next 6 months
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1990 replied on Fri, Feb 14 2020 9:46 AM

Canvas shows that you can achieve pretty neat integration. (Not seen in flesh though...)

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Ingo replied on Fri, Feb 14 2020 1:29 PM

Today my dealer told me the V2 comes later, in April was more than optimistic 

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I was told the same today. And there is a cool new multi room speaker coming too. That’s all I knowYes - thumbs up

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vlohjr1 replied on Sat, Feb 15 2020 12:25 PM
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I was told the same today. And there is a cool new multi room speaker coming too. That’s all I know Beovision Eclipse, BeoLab 17,Beolit 15, Beoplay A2 Active

Are we look at sept time for the new v2?

The new speak apparently is a floor version of beosound 2
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Mikipidia replied on Sat, Feb 15 2020 2:12 PM
vlohjr1:

The new speak apparently is a floor version of beosound 2

That’s not how I would describe it at all but i guess you can because you could put it on the floor, but so can just about any other product Stick out tongue

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I hope the virus will not delay it one more time.

I had heard not before August, but probably you know it better than me.

Yours,

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Sandyb replied on Sun, Mar 22 2020 12:54 PM

Zero chance of even August.

Zero.

 

JFJBrussels:

I hope the virus will not delay it one more time.

I had heard not before August, but probably you know it better than me.

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jvezina replied on Sun, Mar 22 2020 3:32 PM

A few weeks ago,  Henrik Baron Vejrup (sp) mentioned in the Mikepedia podcast that the V2 Eclipse will be simply an adaptation of the current version with a C9 screen.

An adapter bracket will be installed on the Sound Center to allow a stock C9 screen to be used and the "trick"  mentioned by "specializten" two weeks ago (installing simply the B&O software on the C9) will allow integration of the screen and sound center. Apparently, the screen inventory for the current Eclipse is about to be exhausted and this will allow continuing production. 

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Which could mean that the ‘adapter option’ will be for being able to sell the rest of the excisting Sound Centers.

Whether they will be built as is in the future or if there will be a ‘new’ version of the Sound Center, is too early to say anything about.

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Mikipidia replied on Sun, Mar 22 2020 4:22 PM
What would be “new” about it? It’ll be the same as the Harmony and the Harmony is more or less the same as the eclipse(on an internal/electric level). It’ll still get a v2/mk2/ng designation to differentiate and will look slightly different. The difference mostly being that the screen will sit on instead of in the soundcenter. That is all based on them willing/being able to continue with this obviously.

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jvezina:

A few weeks ago,  Henrik Baron Vejrup (sp) mentioned in the Mikepedia podcast that the V2 Eclipse will be simply an adaptation of the current version with a C9 screen.

An adapter bracket will be installed on the Sound Center to allow a stock C9 screen to be used and the "trick"  mentioned by "specializten" two weeks ago (installing simply the B&O software on the C9) will allow integration of the screen and sound center. Apparently, the screen inventory for the current Eclipse is about to be exhausted and this will allow continuing production. 

Jean

 

This would be great news. Then I could upgrade my screen to a CX, just in time for the PS5,

A 1500€ upgrade which I would consider a steal.

Perhaps great times ahead :) Also for B&O as it would be a very cheap conversion.

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moxxey replied on Wed, Apr 15 2020 3:20 PM

Who started this thread with Eclipse coming April 2020?

I've just been told by B&O UK's "Head of Operations" that it's not even confirmed for release and it's still in development - ie. it's months away.

I wouldn't listen to rumours from dealers.

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Apr 15 2020 3:55 PM

We did try and tell him at the start of the thread that April was not happening.

And was more likely still pretty far away.

At best, I could imagine there was a possibility that something would be announced for release much later in the year.

But they're obviously still working on the product design itself, so take a breath everyone.

I'd say its 50/50 at best that we see anything this side of Xmas.

Also, there are dealers and then there are dealers - I talk to a pretty experienced one, but not just any old salesman..

If you have an in depth conversation with one who has good knowledge, you can read between the lines - even if nothing is made explicit.

 

 

 

moxxey:

Who started this thread with Eclipse coming April 2020?

I've just been told by B&O UK's "Head of Operations" that it's not even confirmed for release and it's still in development - ie. it's months away.

I wouldn't listen to rumours from dealers.

 

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Michael replied on Wed, Apr 15 2020 7:02 PM
moxxey:

Who started this thread with Eclipse coming April 2020?

I've just been told by B&O UK's "Head of Operations" that it's not even confirmed for release and it's still in development - ie. it's months away.

I wouldn't listen to rumours from dealers.

My dealer also told me it would come now soon!

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moxxey:

Who started this thread with Eclipse coming April 2020?

I've just been told by B&O UK's "Head of Operations" that it's not even confirmed for release and it's still in development - ie. it's months away.

I wouldn't listen to rumours from dealers.

I must say that I thought I had it from a good source,

They had it online, and I contacted them.

They have later removed it from their website.

I also talked to my dealer last week for an update (not the same dealership) and he says that B&O are not coming with any information at all here in the Corona time. So lets see.

I did not mean any harm by my thread, I really believed it, when they sold it on their webpage...

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mbee replied on Wed, Apr 15 2020 9:57 PM

Reading everything here maybe there are 2 new versions coming : one soon which is just a trick to adapt a standard C9/CX panel to the sound center and one later (2021) which will offer a revised design of the soundcenter.

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mbee replied on Wed, Apr 15 2020 9:57 PM

Reading everything here maybe there are 2 new versions coming : one soon which is just a trick to adapt a standard C9/CX panel to the sound center and one later (2021) which will offer a revised design of the soundcenter. 

What do you think?

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Sandyb replied on Wed, Apr 15 2020 10:08 PM

No,

How do we get from dampening down over eager excitement for a product that has no real timeline - to now expecting 2 variants of the product?

Do some not appreciate that B&O is a slow moving company when it comes to product launches (coloured headphones aside)?

 

 

 

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Reading everything here maybe there are 2 new versions coming : one soon which is just a trick to adapt a standard C9/CX panel to the sound center and one later (2021) which will offer a revised design of the soundcenter. 

What do you think?

 

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Hi,


Of course delayed by Corona but does anyone know something about release date of Eclipse 2?

And technical features? I heard about LG CX...

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thorne replied on Mon, Jul 27 2020 2:55 PM

Is it all possible to convert an Eclipse v1 into v2 by simply swapping the C7 panel for a C9?

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moxxey replied on Mon, Jul 27 2020 2:57 PM

JFJBrussels:

Of course delayed by Corona but does anyone know something about release date of Eclipse 2?

And technical features? I heard about LG CX...

I know this sounds radical, but if we knew, we'd hear about it here. Last thing I was told (by a dealer) was that it's in the works, but it's still in the development stage. He was saying he wasn't expecting it any time soon. 

People aren't keeping the info to themselves, there's just no new info.

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Is it all possible to convert an Eclipse v1 into v2 by simply swapping the C7 panel for a C9?

Probably not!

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thorne replied on Mon, Jul 27 2020 11:22 PM

Thanks. Still a beautiful TV

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Thanks a lot, Moxxey !

I hope we can expect this for Christmas, and wil have LG GX panel.

 

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 4:53 PM

Is there any news on this? It seems a bit odd that the old panel that is from 2017 is still sold as it has been replaced already 2018 with c8 and 2019 with c9 that gives us AirPlay 2 and HomeKit compatibility (coming to the 2018 models too, but not 2017). Now we have cx series as well so its really confusing how they can even get such old panels still. 

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Michael:

Is there any news on this? It seems a bit odd that the old panel that is from 2017 is still sold as it has been replaced already 2018 with c8 and 2019 with c9 that gives us AirPlay 2 and HomeKit compatibility (coming to the 2018 models too, but not 2017). Now we have cx series as well so its really confusing how they can even get such old panels still. 

They must have bought a lot of panels back then, it is very unlikely that they have produced any panels for the Eclipse since 2018.

And I also think that is why we havn't seen the new one yet, they have not sold their old stock yet.

Any news, a Dane on another forum have been given a price on the new setup with a GX, so should not be too long.... I also said that when the thread began.....

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moxxey replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 5:38 PM

Michael:

Is there any news on this? It seems a bit odd that the old panel that is from 2017 is still sold as it has been replaced already 2018 with c8 and 2019 with c9 that gives us AirPlay 2 and HomeKit compatibility (coming to the 2018 models too, but not 2017). Now we have cx series as well so its really confusing how they can even get such old panels still. 

It's still coming. Last I heard, B&O was planning a more flexible bracket to allow people to drop in a panel update at a later date. Ironically, no-one seems to have complained that this was what dealers promised buyers when they first bought their Eclipse - that B&O would supply an updated panel in the future. Now the CX is out, you'd think this is perfect for original owners.

I don't think they are buying old panels. We've had that discussion, too. The rumour is they bought a large number of custom panels and simply haven't shifted them all?

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 5:52 PM
And the thread said it would come in April :). Well, we don’t know what will happen until it happens I guess but been waiting for an update now for a long while. I have a hard time believing they bought a lot of panels that just sit idle in a facility somewhere. The only real difference to be honest is the back plate and I’m sure LG assembles them as easy as their own ones. I can imagine they do like a run of 100 or 1000 per production as making a much higher bunch at once would be very stupid as it would make it hard to fix potential hardware issues along the way, and would cause a hefty cash investment in a very inflexible way. Remember B&O was not doing super well when that deal was announced.

Anyway, I do hope for the better and that a more flexible stand is on the way. Surely the Stage stand makes me believe that the future is going to be more flexible and I honestly don’t mind the back side that much. If the screen is fixed to the wall it won’t be visible at all really and I guess a cover plate could be mounted on top of the Lg plate if one really wants to hide it.

Actually I would not be surprised if they would let stb brackets also find a solution for a nice back cover for those interested in such. For me flexibility and design both matters but having a possibility to protect and upgrade an investment is always a good thing. For the environment, the user and everyone else.

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moxxey replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 6:24 PM

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And the thread said it would come in April :). Well, we don’t know what will happen until it happens I guess but been waiting for an update now for a long while. I have a hard time believing they bought a lot of panels that just sit idle in a facility somewhere.

Not really hard to believe? They have custom panel components and for those to be a) tooled and b) manufactured at a sufficient cost for B&O, there will have been a minimum order. LG won't be producing those old custom panels on demand in 2020 - like Emil says, they'll have stored production stock somewhere.

My understanding is that B&O wants to move away from this for the Eclipse v2 and just produce a stand which allows you to drop in a new panel yourself, later, without any custom components.

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 7:18 PM
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Not really hard to believe? They have custom panel components and for those to be a) tooled and b) manufactured at a sufficient cost for B&O, there will have been a minimum order. LG won't be producing those old custom panels on demand in 2020 - like Emil says, they'll have stored production stock somewhere.

My understanding is that B&O wants to move away from this for the Eclipse v2 and just produce a stand which allows you to drop in a new panel yourself, later, without any custom components.

The only customized part is the back plate, nothing else. It’s just a plastic cover. Maybe they have a lot in stock but I doubt it. I think they both went into the project to see and learn. And that it’s easy to make a special edition so to say as it’s simply another plastic cover. Even a regular CX panel works flawlessly with the Sound center so I really doubt any components except for the cover is different.

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Mikipidia replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 7:31 PM

the whole body of the screen on the eclipse is custom, there is no ''lg'' on/off light for once and the rear is totally different and the entire bottom is flat to fit. also the firmware is totally custom, you can't get in to the ''lg'' part of sound nor does it have the standard lg speakers attached. We seem to all be way over simplifying what b&o put in to the eclipse.

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 8:15 PM

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the whole body of the screen on the eclipse is custom, there is no ''lg'' on/off light for once and the rear is totally different and the entire bottom is flat to fit. also the firmware is totally custom, you can't get in to the ''lg'' part of sound nor does it have the standard lg speakers attached. We seem to all be way over simplifying what b&o put in to the eclipse.

Well I do not have one of either, I just assumed the plastic cover is different and not putting speakers or the button in is probably not a big deal. Its a custom model of course but the changes are fairly small. As far as I have understood there is no special firmware, just the B&O app to make the units interact with each other. As everyone knows, a regular LG panel work with both Stage and SoundCentre. Anyway, I hope there will be a new solution soon and that the way they do it is making updates simpler.

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Michael:

Mikipidia:

the whole body of the screen on the eclipse is custom, there is no ''lg'' on/off light for once and the rear is totally different and the entire bottom is flat to fit. also the firmware is totally custom, you can't get in to the ''lg'' part of sound nor does it have the standard lg speakers attached. We seem to all be way over simplifying what b&o put in to the eclipse.

Well I do not have one of either, I just assumed the plastic cover is different and not putting speakers or the button in is probably not a big deal. Its a custom model of course but the changes are fairly small. As far as I have understood there is no special firmware, just the B&O app to make the units interact with each other. As everyone knows, a regular LG panel work with both Stage and SoundCentre. Anyway, I hope there will be a new solution soon and that the way they do it is making updates simpler.

It also have 2 tv tuner, the C7 have not, and no it is not an app on the eclipse.

Also it came in a B&O box,

So no not that simply, it is not a C7 it is a Eclipse panel, as much as E7 is not a C7, or actually even more.

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Michael replied on Mon, Sep 21 2020 9:03 PM
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It also have 2 tv tuner, the C7 have not, and no it is not an app on the eclipse.

Also it came in a B&O box,

So no not that simply, it is not a C7 it is a Eclipse panel, as much as E7 is not a C7, or actually even more.

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Ah, well anyways. It seems like the solution chosen wasn’t very good as they still seek a now outdated device. I hope, as I’ve said before, that the next solution will be smarter.

About tv tuners, we don’t even use them in our houses anymore, more or less all new buildings have iptv, which in a way is a pity as webOS isn’t as popular as Android and tvOS. My provider, Telia has apps for those platforms but for me I need their special iptv box (that can be puc controlled though).

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moxxey replied on Tue, Sep 22 2020 6:27 AM

Michael:

Ah, well anyways. It seems like the solution chosen wasn’t very good as they still seek a now outdated device. I hope, as I’ve said before, that the next solution will be smarter.

But now they have the reverse issue: how to drop an off-the-shelf panel in to an Eclipse v2 and convince us it's an Eclipse and not just another LG + sound center + stand combination.

Let's face it, B&O just do not sell enough TVs to justify custom parts. Totally agree they shouldn't be using a 2017 panel (was amazed when Seanie bought a 65" Eclipse for that reason), this put me off when I was considering a discounted Eclipse in March, but dropping in a off-the-shelf panel has different issues, too. Dilemma.

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I do agree that they should have chosen the Harmony way the first time, but I guess that was not an easy solution as the back panel would have looked awfull.

The back panel on the Eclipse really do look good, and very good cable management.

But about the panels I have just bought a 48CX as PC screen/Bedroom tv, and I see no difference from that to the Eclipse.

The only thing missing is the HDMI 2.1 for consoles or high end pc, and I think that a big margin of Eclipse customers could not care less about these features.

They are more for the old system, so that the 2 tuners a relevant.

At least that goes for my parents.

So there is pro and cons, myself would always choose the newest panel, but that is because of the nerd inside me.

 

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moxxey:

(was amazed when Seanie bought a 65" Eclipse for that reason)

Morning all,

I was really concerned when I sold the avant to change to the eclipse.

But it was a huge upgrade for me on the screen I had.

I can honestly say this TV very much feels Bang and Olufsen to me and I love it everything from the look, picture, sound, menus, BT remote, USB drive & freesat.

This by far was worth every penny to me I am one happy customer. I would never have bought a new one for the RRP that is madness for me but I got very close to new for a used price.

I suppose it’d all about personal experience and expectations.

If I was buying new I would have felt perhaps I wanted more for my money but buying used is OK for me to improve the technology in my home one bit at a time.

I am currently searching for a used doorbird and some more hue lights as there is no need to buy new it’s bad for the planet and also my pocket lol.

Anyway this post was to just say I am in love with my TV, regardless of the panel being 2017 the picture is by far flawless, no juddering like the avant had on ticker or fast moving scenes.

Just my 2p Big Smile

Have a lovely day.

Eclipse 65
V1-32
Beosound M5
Essence MK2
BLI

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moxxey replied on Tue, Sep 22 2020 8:59 AM

Seanie_230:

Anyway this post was to just say I am in love with my TV, regardless of the panel being 2017 the picture is by far flawless, no juddering like the avant had on ticker or fast moving scenes.

And that's the important thing! I was just stunned anyone on the board would spend so much money on one in 2020, knowing what we know. Mainly as I was so 'angry' that B&O was still using the old panels, when I went to buy one in March Crying

The Eclipse is a fantastic TV. But really needs to have the latest panel if we're paying that much money.

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