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This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
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mbolo01:I guess the Join feature would die with NL multiroom. On top of the relevant applications the AP/CC Expand function could be integrated into the Halo, this could be part of a product software upgrade that would give the Halo superior integration of the AP/CC layers and a broader control over any AP/CC capable device? A pure guess again BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
The Halo is a NL remote just like the BeoRemote One.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
laseralex:The Essence Remotes are $300 USD; to buy 9 of them is $2,700 USD. If you know where I can get a set of Beolab 17s for that price I'll buy them immediately!I use all the remotes quite regularly. In the master bedroom I have a table version right next to my bed and a wall-mount near the dresser. In the master bath I have one just outside the shower to control the M5 by the sink. One each for kitchen, dining room, office, and lab; living room has one on the table and one on the wall. Thus, each playback device has one remote except for master bed and living room which have 2 each due to my usage patterns. I have used every single one of those remotes in the last 48 hours.2x Beosound Moment 4x Beosound Essence Mk II 3x Beolab 8000 1x Beolab 6000 1x Beolab 3 3x Beolab 2 4x BeoPlay M5 1x BeoPlay A6 9x Essence Remote
matador43:It should be possible!
Millemissen:The Halo is a NL remote just like the BeoRemote One. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Of course there are limits.
But isn't part of the pitch of investing in B&O equipment the longer lasting use cases compared to run of the mill brands?
People are not asking for support for a 15-20 year old protocol or product.
They're asking for the ability to buy a new product (the Halo) so that it can achieve more of what the current app does i.e control a TV bought 6-7 years ago.
Dont think that is unreasonable.
Mikipidia:How long do we expect backwards compatibility to last? 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, 20 years?
Not mentioned yet - as far as I see - the official instruction video for the Halo:
https://youtu.be/_SaCCcwu5N0
Beolab 28s Beolab 9s Beolab 12-3s Beolab 1s Beolab 6000s 2 pairs Beolab 4000s Beovision 7-55 Beovision 10-40 Beoplay V1 32 inch Beovision Avant 32 inch Beosound 1 (CD player) Beosound 3000 Beosound 5 Core Essence MKII Beoplay M5
Razlaw:Finally arrived 😊
Duels:Fantastic. Looks great. Enjoy!
Razlaw:Finally arrived
Mikipidia:my earlier question was an honest one, how long do we generally expect backwards compatibility?
Another way to look at your question: Sonos has finally sunset their original ZonePlayers with their "S2" App going forward, i.e. declining support after 15 years. They bricked their CR100 controllers intentionally in 2018, which was about 13 years.
By the way, I see an opportunity for a niche product, only worthwhile for an enthusiast: Since the Halo is IP-only (for now) and the protocol is reputed to use a webserver and JSON messages on the device, it is theoretically possible to make a black box that pretends to be a BeoSound Core -- or maybe an A6 or whatever is the oldest and most limited product in the B&O App. The box would take IP commands and emit IR. Tap-to-join would be a problem for the oldest equipment, and specifying the actions of the MyButtons would require a separate application -- there's no interface! -- or else simply hardwiring 4 commands. There is a history of such boxes; I have a DataLink->IR translator which drives a CD-Library as TAPE2. (My Sony CDP-CX100 100-CD carousel still works fine, though the 3 (linked!) Pioneer PD-F904 CD jukeboxes have long since died.) I don't have the B&O part # handy, but it was an actual product! Yet despite it being a modest bit of reverse engineering (unless B&O have started encrypting the command protocol), how could it be profitable? I.e, how many of the pipe & slippers brigade will spring for a $900 remote control *plus* whatever the translator box would be priced at?!?
Accordingly, if I can't justify a profitable add-on gadget, how could we expect high-overhead B&O to support older products? Worse yet, if they even ventured such support, the expectations for "it just works" would be too high, making it a reputation-killer.
Mikipidia:how long do we generally expect backwards compatibility?
To me the problem is brands mix up "dropping support" which is natural beyond a certains point (like many other I think around 10 years) and "Killing the product" which is making it unusable or inoperable (like Sonos did). I buy a product, I don't rent it, it's mine, so if I want to use it I must be able as long as I want.
The increase of online services on which depends hardware as given the perfect excuse to manufacturers to decide when we "must" update a device.
IT should be a law saying than when you drop support of any device, you should provide any piece of tools, code or informations helping to continu to use the object by yourself. Like for example the Beo5/6 Config tool and any papers on IR codes.
As for computers, freighting people with security issues is forgetting to soon that a computer can do a lot of things locally and unconnected too.
matador43:I buy a product, I don't rent it, it's mine, so if I want to use it I must be able as long as I want. IT should be a law saying than when you drop support of any device, you should provide any piece of tools, code or informations helping to continu to use the object by yourself. Like for example the Beo5/6 Config tool and any papers on IR codes.
I have a compatibility question regarding Beosound 35?Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?
matador43:To me the problem is brands mix up "dropping support" which is natural beyond a certains point (like many other I think around 10 years) and "Killing the product" which is making it unusable or inoperable (like Sonos did). I buy a product, I don't rent it, it's mine, so if I want to use it I must be able as long as I want. The increase of online services on which depends hardware as given the perfect excuse to manufacturers to decide when we "must" update a device. IT should be a law saying than when you drop support of any device, you should provide any piece of tools, code or informations helping to continu to use the object by yourself. Like for example the Beo5/6 Config tool and any papers on IR codes. As for computers, freighting people with security issues is forgetting to soon that a computer can do a lot of things locally and unconnected too.
Audio:I have a compatibility question regarding Beosound 35? Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?
Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?
Mikipidia:Btw my earlier question was an honest one, how long do we generally expect backwards compatibility?
ngnear:Things get complicated when one manufacturer‘s product (e.g. Beosound Core) relies on another company‘s services (e.g. Deezer, Spotify, Gracenote, TuneIn, Amazon, Google et.al..) to provide full functionality. [...]At the same time any changes in the API of the service would need to be implemented in the software/firmware of any products affected to prevent the product turning into an expensive brick. Tim
matador43:[...] IT should be a law saying than when you drop support of any device, you should provide any piece of tools, code or informations helping to continu to use the object by yourself. Like for example the Beo5/6 Config tool and any papers on IR codes.
laseralex:I use all the remotes quite regularly. In the master bedroom I have a table version right next to my bed and a wall-mount near the dresser. In the master bath I have one just outside the shower to control the M5 by the sink. One each for kitchen, dining room, office, and lab; living room has one on the table and one on the wall. Thus, each playback device has one remote except for master bed and living room which have 2 each due to my usage patterns. I have used every single one of those remotes in the last 48 hours. 2x Beosound Moment 4x Beosound Essence Mk II 3x Beolab 8000 1x Beolab 6000 1x Beolab 3 3x Beolab 2 4x BeoPlay M5 1x BeoPlay A6 9x Essence Remote
StKong:Any news on the longevity of NL?
steve1977:The balance doesn’t include NL and there were speculations that NL may be EOL. Has there been any formal statement why the balance doesn’t include NL and whether NL will still be part of future B&O speakers?
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
Hiort:It’s been confirmed in another thread that Balance will be get an upgrade providing NL support. Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen : Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom : M3 Library : A6, Beocom 6000 Bedroom : M5 Office : Beocom 2 Travel : Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay P2
No indications really - no one really knows anything.
The message (a month or so after the Balance release) that some of the previous favourite features (multi room, not via AP/CC) would be added could have been read as involving something new (platform / protocol wise) or simply the Balance being updated to do NL in the usual way.
But until the Balance gets updated, we know nothing beyond the above.
steve1977: Hiort: It’s been confirmed in another thread that Balance will be get an upgrade providing NL support. Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen : Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom : M3 Library : A6, Beocom 6000 Bedroom : M5 Office : Beocom 2 Travel : Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay P2 Besides speculations based on the balance, is there any form of evidence that NL may be discontinued? I remember andersson mentioned the new audio platform? Any indications whether this includes NL?
Hiort: It’s been confirmed in another thread that Balance will be get an upgrade providing NL support. Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen : Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom : M3 Library : A6, Beocom 6000 Bedroom : M5 Office : Beocom 2 Travel : Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay P2
It’s been confirmed in another thread that Balance will be get an upgrade providing NL support.
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen : Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom : M3 Library : A6, Beocom 6000 Bedroom : M5 Office : Beocom 2 Travel : Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay P2
Besides speculations based on the balance, is there any form of evidence that NL may be discontinued? I remember andersson mentioned the new audio platform? Any indications whether this includes NL?
trackbeo:[This belongs in the "Flash your system" thread, and it's super-nosy, but...] Would you consider posting a photo pulled back a bit. and giving a tour of it? The furniture looks interesting but it's tough to parse: There is a multi-pane decor mirror, and there is a glass plate on top of a lighted insert rice-paper w/grasses motif (or "cracked ice", a la BeoLab 17 covers), but the ripples at the front edge of the furniture under the glass look surprisingly like corrugated cardboard! (Silver-leafed corrugated, that is...:-) And somewhere there's an incredible light fixture or just reflective surface giving those two angled beams -- yet the picture looks to be taken in daylight, because the baseboard looks normal. What on earth? Just ignore me if it would be over-sharing...
Razlaw: trackbeo: [This belongs in the "Flash your system" thread, and it's super-nosy, but...] Would you consider posting a photo pulled back a bit. and giving a tour of it? The furniture looks interesting but it's tough to parse: There is a multi-pane decor mirror, and there is a glass plate on top of a lighted insert rice-paper w/grasses motif (or "cracked ice", a la BeoLab 17 covers), but the ripples at the front edge of the furniture under the glass look surprisingly like corrugated cardboard! (Silver-leafed corrugated, that is...:-) And somewhere there's an incredible light fixture or just reflective surface giving those two angled beams -- yet the picture looks to be taken in daylight, because the baseboard looks normal. What on earth? Just ignore me if it would be over-sharing... No incredible light fixture. But large windows with the sun shining in and perhaps reflecting off of a granite table. Here are a couple pictures as you requested. 😊
trackbeo: [This belongs in the "Flash your system" thread, and it's super-nosy, but...] Would you consider posting a photo pulled back a bit. and giving a tour of it? The furniture looks interesting but it's tough to parse: There is a multi-pane decor mirror, and there is a glass plate on top of a lighted insert rice-paper w/grasses motif (or "cracked ice", a la BeoLab 17 covers), but the ripples at the front edge of the furniture under the glass look surprisingly like corrugated cardboard! (Silver-leafed corrugated, that is...:-) And somewhere there's an incredible light fixture or just reflective surface giving those two angled beams -- yet the picture looks to be taken in daylight, because the baseboard looks normal. What on earth? Just ignore me if it would be over-sharing...
[This belongs in the "Flash your system" thread, and it's super-nosy, but...] Would you consider posting a photo pulled back a bit. and giving a tour of it? The furniture looks interesting but it's tough to parse: There is a multi-pane decor mirror, and there is a glass plate on top of a lighted insert rice-paper w/grasses motif (or "cracked ice", a la BeoLab 17 covers), but the ripples at the front edge of the furniture under the glass look surprisingly like corrugated cardboard! (Silver-leafed corrugated, that is...:-) And somewhere there's an incredible light fixture or just reflective surface giving those two angled beams -- yet the picture looks to be taken in daylight, because the baseboard looks normal. What on earth? Just ignore me if it would be over-sharing...
No incredible light fixture. But large windows with the sun shining in and perhaps reflecting off of a granite table. Here are a couple pictures as you requested. 😊
Nice. I look at the light switches and see the potential of 28 (7x4) Lutron RR2 buttons for home automation!
Razlaw:Wasn’t there a video, either the Podcast or a John from Manchester video where a document was shown indicating what was coming for the Balance?
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
ngnear: Things get complicated when one manufacturer‘s product (e.g. Beosound Core) relies on another company‘s services (e.g. Deezer, Spotify, Gracenote, TuneIn, Amazon, Google et.al..) to provide full functionality. My Avant 55 no longer has Deezer, and I understand the Beosound Moment can no longer access the Gracenote Database. Even if the service is secured with some sort of contractual obligation, I am sure it will only be for a certain period of time, and is no use if the service provider goes out of business. At the same time any changes in the API of the service would need to be implemented in the software/firmware of any products affected to prevent the product turning into an expensive brick. Tim
Things get complicated when one manufacturer‘s product (e.g. Beosound Core) relies on another company‘s services (e.g. Deezer, Spotify, Gracenote, TuneIn, Amazon, Google et.al..) to provide full functionality.
My Avant 55 no longer has Deezer, and I understand the Beosound Moment can no longer access the Gracenote Database.
Even if the service is secured with some sort of contractual obligation, I am sure it will only be for a certain period of time, and is no use if the service provider goes out of business.
At the same time any changes in the API of the service would need to be implemented in the software/firmware of any products affected to prevent the product turning into an expensive brick.
Tim
But isn’t that practically the same with say a BS9000....you only can enjoy this as long as you can buy CD’s and the FM radio is working.
I see many BS9000’s sitting there like a gem (read: a pretty brick)....some of these only used as a hub for linking the Aux into the ML network.
Today things are more complicated!
We, as costumers want and expect to have different choices for music and radio.
Don’t ever think that they all services will be working forever!
That is the downside of modern life - we want diversity and complain when our service does not work any more.
It is hard to be an audio/video company nowadays, esspecially when their costumers also expect longlivety.
Millemissen:But isn’t that practically the same with say a BS9000....you only can enjoy this as long as you can buy CD’s and the FM radio is working. I see many BS9000’s sitting there like a gem (read: a pretty brick)....some of these only used as a hub for linking the Aux into the ML network. Today things are more complicated! We, as costumers want and expect to have different choices for music and radio. Don’t ever think that they all services will be working forever! That is the downside of modern life - we want diversity and complain when our service does not work any more. It is hard to be an audio/video company nowadays, esspecially when their costumers also expect longlivety. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
beojeff:Nice. I look at the light switches and see the potential of 28 (7x4) Lutron RR2 buttons for home automation!
ngnear:Anybody that has suffered several days without internet due to damage to a cable is glad to have a stack of CD‘s and an FM aerial together with a „magic door“ Beosound
mbolo01:Yep, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVfhxUQrXUs BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1