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Dyssegaard:I have noticed that B&O have updated their Halo support page with supported products: https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360049745891-Which-products-can-be-controlled-by-my-Beoremote-Halo- Harmony and Eclipse are no longer on the list, and sw-versions have been updated as well. Best regards - Dyssegaard Living room: Beovision Eclipse 55, Beolab 3 / R1 (back), Beolab 2 / R1 (sub), AppleTV 4K, Bedroom: Beovision 11-40 , AppleTV 4 . Home office: Beolit 12, Kitchen: Beoplay M5 . Travel: Beoplay H8, Beoplay A1. NAS: WD My Cloud Home / Plex DLNA Server.
Amazing design but priced a little too high to be an automatic buy for many people. My set up would really benefit from a Halo. Right now, I have a docked iPad Pro running the B&O App as a remote for my B&O music. It is also all aluminum and glass and including the wireless Logitech BASE dock, the Halo costs hundreds of dollars more! It is still tempting. The Beoplay H95 on the other hand was an easy buy for me...you pay more, you get more. O well...still getting that itch for the Halo.
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To make it easer for you to pull the plug on the Halo, just learned the B&O increased the price for the BeoRemote One dramatically (at least in Germany, new MSRP is 300 Euro!!!
Ferdinand:There is probably no good rationale explanation why one would spend ca 700$ on a volume remote control. I am now having tough discussions with the FS (wife), as she states ‘you buy Halo I say Hejdå (goodbye)
Just checked. The Halo is a staggering C$1200 in Canada? 😲
moxxey: Ferdinand:There is probably no good rationale explanation why one would spend ca 700$ on a volume remote control. I am now having tough discussions with the FS (wife), as she states ‘you buy Halo I say Hejdå (goodbye) Just checked. The Halo is a staggering C$1200 in Canada? 😲
They are just balancing the Loonie against the US Dollar to protect commerce across the "soft" border, as if it mattered.
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Mikipidia:Don’t forget that b&o gets imported through the US to canada and american import taxes apply to b&o in canada too... that’s partially why the prices are extra silly overthere
Probably little different from EU. What you seem to be calling import taxes, we call sales and use taxes and are paid on one side of the border; not both, and I have lived on both sides. Depending on which state, province, or commonwealth you live in, between US and Canada, it's probably a wash on consumer goods. Autos is a very different story. At the end of the day, Halo costs a whole lot of dollars, Canadian or US.
Ferdinand:I saw the Halo at my dealer on Saturday, and although I was already intrigued since the first leaked video it didn’t disappoint at all, knowing that some people do not like it. I would have a very limited use-case for my BS1, as my other B&O products are too old, but I still want to have one. That it is a great achievement. There is probably no good rationale explanation why one would spend ca 700$ on a volume remote control. I am now having tough discussions with the FS (wife), as she states ‘you buy Halo I say Hejdå (goodbye) And then my dealer came up with the great idea that I need a Core as well for my BS9000 😀 I love his enthusiasm. “I have to work on my core” I tell my wife in return To be continued, and please do see the Halo IRL it is amazingly cool.
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Oh dear, B&O has just lost control of their name "Halo" for an electronic device . . .
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moxxey:Just checked. The Halo is a staggering C$1200 in Canada? 😲
kawo: To make it easer for you to pull the plug on the Halo, just learned the B&O increased the price for the BeoRemote One dramatically (at least in Germany, new MSRP is 300 Euro!!!
Same here in Sweden. BR1 is now 3000 SEK ....
Noted on B&O webpage that Essence remote is shown but there is no way to order. Discontinued?
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poodleboy:Probably little different from EU. What you seem to be calling import taxes, we call sales and use taxes and are paid on one side of the border; not both, and I have lived on both sides. Depending on which state, province, or commonwealth you live in, between US and Canada, it's probably a wash on consumer goods. Autos is a very different story. At the end of the day, Halo costs a whole lot of dollars, Canadian or US.
Mikipidia:The US has an import tax on luxury goods and B&O products come through B&O USA(company) to Canada
Back in 2016, Trump "floated the idea" but I could not find anything at the US CBP website which says that luxury tax was actually implemented. Besides, although the Halo is priced very high, it's still under $1000 and there is unlikely to be any specific "multiple of non-luxury price" method of calculation. (Just imagine if such were applied to B&O's charging pad!-) More typically, luxury tax is expressed as, e.g. "a single item of clothing valued more than $1500" or somesuch, with broad categories of goods.
Recently a threat was made on French luxury goods specifically, in retaliation for threatened "GAFA Tax" on American multinational tech titans. But not Denmark -- Trump must have a soft spot for Margarethe. All of which matters not, because the Halo comes from... China. Import tariffs on remote controls used to be zero, but there is recently a 4.9% import tariff (8526.92.50, "radio apparatus for remote control, not used in video game") plus any overriding tax on goods assembled in or composed principally of components from China, which, until recently, has excluded most consumer electronics, but that either just changed, or is about to change, or who the ƒu¢k knows, because this administration just keeps making $h!t up as they go along.
For a very long time, there has been a roughly-30% B&O-levied markup applied to prices in North America. I used to sigh and accept that it supported a full distribution & support team in Deerfield, IL. But they are all gone. My dealer is gone too -- therefore clearly *they* weren't keeping the lion's share of that 30%. Now the markup just pays for a sales rep in New York or New Jersey somewhere. Shipping of website orders in NA has been outsourced. Obviously their support has been outsourced. New Beolab 18s are costly: over $10,000 with wood grilles, plus the 19 is $4500. Plus sales tax of ~6% most states. (For those who wish to compare with their local shop, 20's here are priced at US$15,000, 50s cost 40,000-plus, and 90s are about $85,000.00. Compared to the Danish Prisliste, that's between 20-40% markup, but for example, the Stage & Beosound 1 are only ~10% at US$1750. By way of comparison, Revel (USA, luxury good) Ultima2 Salon2 speakers are $22,000 per pair, about the same price as B&W 802/D3s here in the USA.)
But back to the Halo: not tariffed exceptionally by the US (this week!), MSRP $900, which is not as far above Danish prices as most B&O products!
All of that is pretty usual thing I guess, just compare the price of a (new) iPad Air in the US vs Europe. And any other Apple product, btw. So the Halo, being the EU product, probably gets priced the other way around.
I usually include the VAT in my "emotional calculations" because, just imagine you ship an entire cargo container of B&O gear, how much of it arrives damaged? (The high-end stuff I mean, probably the earphones arrive unscathed.) So I reserve my outrage for retail pricing in excess of that. But back to the Halo again: Might one reason for price parity (approx.) B&O has chosen, be that otherwise it would be an ideal candidate for gray-marketing? No power supply differences, no shipping damage worries, no configuration / support hassles for the in-country dealers to moan about...
Rudi Pedersen:Hi Thomas Do you know why the Halo shows local sources that is unchecked in the product and not shown in the App Best regards Rudi
I've just set up my new HALO and I've got two problems now:
- the software updated is shown in the App (red light), but I cannot start the update in the app (the button is light gray (currently: 1.0.2635)
- the multiroom button (double window) for touch to join is not shown in the HALO (only the four favorite symbols are shown)
I appreciate any support,Wolfgang
Wolf_70:I've just set up my new HALO and I've got two problems now: - the software updated is shown in the App (red light), but I cannot start the update in the app (the button is light gray (currently: 1.0.2635) - the multiroom button (double window) for touch to join is not shown in the HALO (only the four favorite symbols are shown) I appreciate any support, Wolfgang
that's the problem; in the app under software the update button dosen't work (it is light grey and nothing happens when I press the button)!?
Wolf_70:that's the problem; in the app under software the update button dosen't work (it is light grey and nothing happens when I press the button)!?
in the B&O App (iPad)!?
goto the icon next to the "+"; the "man" (or is it an imbalance) = Settings
than to Products; Halo; Software
Thanks for your support, Carolpa!
But this is exactly what I have done. My new theory is, that the update is running in the background and I simply have to wait. I will give a feedback!
I am having exactly the same problem with a Halo I received yesterday: red dot indicating software update, grayed out update button, and no multiroom icon.
I have submitted a support case. I expect B&O will acknowledge receipt of the inquiry, wait a few days to tell me it has been raised to a higher level, and then never respond to me again. 😕
laseralex:I am having exactly the same problem with a Halo I received yesterday: red dot indicating software update, grayed out update button, and no multiroom icon. I have submitted a support case. I expect B&O will acknowledge receipt of the inquiry, wait a few days to tell me it has been raised to a higher level, and then never respond to me again. 😕 2x Beosound Moment 4x Beosound Essence Mk II 3x Beolab 8000 1x Beolab 6000 1x Beolab 3 3x Beolab 2 4x BeoPlay M5 1x BeoPlay A6 9x Essence Remote
laseralex:I am having exactly the same problem with a Halo I received yesterday: red dot indicating software update, grayed out update button, and no multiroom icon. I have submitted a support case. I expect B&O will acknowledge receipt of the inquiry, wait a few days to tell me it has been raised to a higher level, and then never respond to me again. 😕
So no havoc, just little patience (which I didn't have.......)
HALOlujah
Update was installed over night! I connected it to the power supply in a strong WLAN area. Then over night the update was installed to the lastest software was installed (1.1.2890).
Wolf_70:HALOlujah
I had the same result - left for a day and when I came back the update was installed.
moxxey:On a different note, I don't think I've used my Halo since I bought it. It doesn't even impress anyone either. Was slightly shocked by that. People just don't do 'big volume controllers' anymore and this made me think - it's an object which looks good over something of any real practicality for me.
Interesting statement, but no surprise. Because (1) B&O is not able to integrate different music streaming platforms into their app / software so that you have easy access to the content and (2) additionally B&O focus on Airplay and Chromecast as multiroom protocol. Following this strategy there is not much left to control beside loudness and next track.
B&O always starts with a good idea, but still does not understand that innovative and user friendly software sells hardware not the other way around. Only focusing on "craftsmanship" is too less to be successful.
HH1971:Interesting statement, but no surprise. Because (1) B&O is not able to integrate different music streaming platforms into their app / software so that you have easy access to the content and (2) additionally B&O focus on Airplay and Chromecast as multiroom protocol. Following this strategy there is not much left to control beside loudness and next track. B&O always starts with a good idea, but still does not understand that innovative and user friendly software sells hardware not the other way around. Only focusing on "craftsmanship" is too less to be successful.
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So there will be a FW update so you can control Eclipse?
tigerisak:So there will be a FW update so you can control Eclipse?
mr_anders_son: tigerisak: So there will be a FW update so you can control Eclipse? Yes. Next year!
tigerisak: So there will be a FW update so you can control Eclipse?
Yes.
Next year!
PLEASE don't neglect the NL/ML Converter in the update! The NL/ML Converter opens up so many possibilities. For example, control of legacy BeoSounds, BeoVisions, and BeoSystems. Also, the use of NL/ML Converters that have BeoLab speakers connected to them.