Sign in   |  Join   |  Help
Untitled Page

ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022
READ ONLY FORUM

This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022

 

Beolab 5 reliability?

rated by 0 users
This post has 79 Replies | 3 Followers

Steve at Sounds Heavenly
Top 50 Contributor
The cable workshop, Leics, UK
Posts 2,165
OFFLINE
Gold Member
Steve at Sounds Heavenly Posted: Wed, May 13 2020 2:05 PM

Hi Beoworlders,

I hope that you are all keeping well.  I have had a pair of Beolab 5s on my wishlist for many years now, to replace the much loved Penta 3s in my study.  However, I have always been put off by the rumours of reliability issues, including shortages of spare parts and the risk of needing to replace the speaker chassis after a certain period of use.

Could I please ask for any input from members who use Beolab 5s, or who are involved in repairing them?

Are the earlier models more risky, or can any age of Beolab 5 potentially have issues?  Is it purely dependent on age, bad luck, or a history of misuse?

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards, Steve.

Steve.

www.soundsheavenly.com

Founder of Sounds Heavenly Cables and Brand Ambassador for Bang & Olufsen

Sounds Heavenly are proud to sponsor BeoWorld!

Please check out my YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/soundsheavenlycables

petermc
Top 500 Contributor
Australia
Posts 128
OFFLINE
Founder
petermc replied on Thu, May 14 2020 6:54 AM
We got ours a couple of years after they were released.

Last year had to replace the chassis as one of the speakers started to make crackling noises.

Has been fine since.

Still love them too. Never regretted getting them.

Peter
Martin
Top 200 Contributor
Sweden
Posts 357
OFFLINE
Silver Member
Martin replied on Thu, May 14 2020 7:44 AM

Hi, I bought a brand new pair in May 2015. In august 2018 one speaker stopped working and the warranty did not cover this. I have to change the chassi in a 3-year old speaker at the cost of 1.800 Euro. After this I could not trust these speakers and bought instead a pair of Beolab 50.

Best Regards

Martin

NEW! Beovision Eclipse 65 2nd generation (G1) with floorstand (from STB Brackets), Beolab 50 front, Beolab 3 rear, 2 x Beoplay A6 linkrooms, 2xBeoremote one BT, Beosound 9000 Mark III (sw 3.4), Beosound 5 (for DLNA only),  Philips Hue (all lights in the home), Oppo UDP-203, Apple TV 4K (2021 model). Beoremote HALO, 3xBeoplay Charging pad, Beoplay M5

Weebyx
Top 75 Contributor
Denmark
Posts 1,213
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Weebyx replied on Thu, May 14 2020 11:43 AM

Martin:

Hi, I bought a brand new pair in May 2015. In august 2018 one speaker stopped working and the warranty did not cover this. I have to change the chassi in a 3-year old speaker at the cost of 1.800 Euro. After this I could not trust these speakers and bought instead a pair of Beolab 50.

Best Regards

Martin

Incredible that a company that sells premium speakers to a very high price, does not care about a customers very expensive speaker that dies after 3 years.

I know warranty is 2 years, but since this is "known" issue, I would say they should give the customer credit on something like this. I could understand they deny after 6-10 years, but a speaker at that price, should last more than 3 years.

/Weebyx

The Beonic Man
Top 150 Contributor
Bristol
Posts 812
OFFLINE
Gold Member

Weebyx:

Martin:

Hi, I bought a brand new pair in May 2015. In august 2018 one speaker stopped working and the warranty did not cover this. I have to change the chassi in a 3-year old speaker at the cost of 1.800 Euro. After this I could not trust these speakers and bought instead a pair of Beolab 50.

Best Regards

Martin

Incredible that a company that sells premium speakers to a very high price, does not care about a customers very expensive speaker that dies after 3 years.

I know warranty is 2 years, but since this is "known" issue, I would say they should give the customer credit on something like this. I could understand they deny after 6-10 years, but a speaker at that price, should last more than 3 years.

/Weebyx

Completely agree. I am astonished actually. Thanks for this thread Steve as I too was going to make a BL5 purchase at some point down the road. Its frustrating because I still want to as the design is breathtaking to me. Hmm, why do B&O always make it so difficult for customers? Nothing is ever straightforward with this company. Lab 50s too much money. I just wouldn't spend c£20k on a pair of speakers.

B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.
11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.

 

Mikipidia
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 2,169
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Mikipidia replied on Thu, May 14 2020 3:07 PM

as a rule of thumb 5's last anywhere between 10 and 15 years before they need something to be repaired, usually the chassis as the bass tends to shake the capacitors loose etc. Once repaired they last the same amount of time again.

the Mk1's don't have a huge stack of chassis's left but the mk2's are fine for replacement parts. Obviously there are some lemons and a lot depends on how it was used and at which volumes as the bass is the real killer of electronic parts. Mostly if you take a possible chassis fix into account while buying, or using it as a bargaining ploy, and the price is still acceptable then you'll be fine.

New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 28's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay Portal, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0

Mikipedia on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia

Mikipedi4 on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/mikipedi4

Mikipedia on Intagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikipedi4/

Old: Beosound 9000 mk3, Beolab 3's, Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 1's, Beolab 2, Beovision 10-46, Overture 2300, beolab 8000's, Beolab 4000's, Beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

Martin
Top 200 Contributor
Sweden
Posts 357
OFFLINE
Silver Member
Martin replied on Thu, May 14 2020 3:44 PM

Hi,

When I talked to the "repair-man" who repaired my old Beolab 5 which needed a chassi swap,  he said that a Beolab 5 Chassi will last about 6-8 years. That is his experience. He has replaced about 30-40 chassis of Beolab 5 the last 10 years in south of Sweden. Yes, my Lab5:s went wrong after about 3 years which is a very short time. But I dont think that 10-15 years is the normal lifetime for a Lab 5 chassi.

I think also that even If you buy a pair of Beolab 5 used today and they work well 5-8 years ahead, the question then still is there: Does B&O still in 5-8 years have any exchange chassi for beolab 5? If not, the speakers is worth zero money.

 

/Martin

 

NEW! Beovision Eclipse 65 2nd generation (G1) with floorstand (from STB Brackets), Beolab 50 front, Beolab 3 rear, 2 x Beoplay A6 linkrooms, 2xBeoremote one BT, Beosound 9000 Mark III (sw 3.4), Beosound 5 (for DLNA only),  Philips Hue (all lights in the home), Oppo UDP-203, Apple TV 4K (2021 model). Beoremote HALO, 3xBeoplay Charging pad, Beoplay M5

vikinger
Top 25 Contributor
Vestri Kirkjubyr, UK
Posts 5,422
OFFLINE
Gold Member
vikinger replied on Thu, May 14 2020 3:47 PM

Some years ago I came across a technical article (that I can no longer find) claiming that the original BL5  microphone calibration had a notional life of about 200 uses, but that owners often liked to demonstrate the calibration to visitors to the extent that the mechanisms often suffered premature failure. Apparently B&O thought that calibration would only ever take place a handful of times.

I have no idea whether this article was based on fact.

Graham

mr_anders_son
Top 75 Contributor
sweden
Posts 1,710
OFFLINE
Founder
So there is still spare parts for MK2?

I know you can order the discs.

BeoVision Haermony 65"...BeoLab 28 Anthracite....BeoLab 17 as REAR....BV10-32....BC6-26....Beosound 9000....Beosound 1 New York edt....Beogram 4002....Beoplay Emerge....Beoplay M5....Beoplay M3....Beoremote Halo....BeoRemote One BT....Beo6....Beo4....Beo4 Cinema....BeoLink 7000....Serene....H95 Black LTD....H9i Rimowa....6 x H6....Form 1....U70...

PeterBOBP
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 133
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
PeterBOBP replied on Thu, May 14 2020 7:11 PM

vikinger:

Some years ago I came across a technical article (that I can no longer find) claiming that the original BL5  microphone calibration had a notional life of about 200 uses, but that owners often liked to demonstrate the calibration to visitors to the extent that the mechanisms often suffered premature failure. Apparently B&O thought that calibration would only ever take place a handful of times.

I have no idea whether this article was based on fact.

Graham

mine are from 2003; i bought them second hand 10 years ago; they then were in excellent condition.

never had one problem with them and for the last 10 years i used them every other day on average.

i did not count the number of times I ran the calibration but it is still working.

i do have some doubts BO have limited the number of calibrations (why would you) but will not do an experiment to get final prove :-)

 

 

 

Pat
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 152
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Pat replied on Thu, May 14 2020 7:41 PM
The BL5 is a ticking time bomb, the only question is WHEN?

They are not as bad as the Avant 55 MKI - video engine issue. I’ve seen some cases when the VE has been replaced within the warranty and then, after 2 years or so again, the same fault.
politician
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 180
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

I owned a pair of BeoLab 90s for approximately 12 years.

During that time, each speaker needed its chassis replacing twice.

One of them was on the way out again when I got rid of them. 

Barry Santini
Top 150 Contributor
New York
Posts 543
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Mind your AC voltage: too low, and especially too high, will shorten the life of the electronics
The Beonic Man
Top 150 Contributor
Bristol
Posts 812
OFFLINE
Gold Member

politician:

I owned a pair of BeoLab 90s for approximately 12 years.

During that time, each speaker needed its chassis replacing twice.

One of them was on the way out again when I got rid of them. 

Do you mean the BeoLab 5s? !!! You've done well if you've had the 90s for 12 years!

B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.
11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.

 

Beobuddy
Top 25 Contributor
Utrecht, The Netherlands
Posts 3,972
OFFLINE
Founder
Beobuddy replied on Fri, May 15 2020 10:14 AM

When your BL5 needs to be repaired, a swap of chassis is always done when it comes to the electronics. You can't order separate parts from the chassis.

That has a downside and upside, The costs can be significant, but then you are pretty confident that all the electronics are ready to go for the next years. I think it's relative, when you bought them new for the retail price then the costs for those are easier to handle then when you bought them second life and have to pay for the same amount of costs. 

I think there is a connection between reliability and ICE power based amplifiers from the first and early days it was released.

Until now I've fixed at least a dozen BL5's on component level and am familiar with the fact that once a BL5 becomes defective, the damage can be on different parts of the chassis. So, a chassis swap is the safest and quickest way the fix a BL5.

About the microphone failure, the microphone is belt driven and measurements are stored in a memory. These can fail, but fixed.

Fansastic
Top 150 Contributor
The Hague, The Netherlands
Posts 768
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Fansastic replied on Fri, May 15 2020 10:35 AM
Beobuddy:

When your BL5 needs to be repaired, a swap of chassis is always done when it comes to the electronics. You can't order separate parts from the chassis.

That has a downside and upside, The costs can be significant, but then you are pretty confident that all the electronics are ready to go for the next years. I think it's relative, when you bought them new for the retail price then the costs for those are easier to handle then when you bought them second life and have to pay for the same amount of costs.

I think there is a connection between reliability and ICE power based amplifiers from the first and early days it was released.

Until now I've fixed at least a dozen BL5's on component level and am familiar with the fact that once a BL5 becomes defective, the damage can be on different parts of the chassis. So, a chassis swap is the safest and quickest way the fix a BL5.

About the microphone failure, the microphone is belt driven and measurements are stored in a memory. These can fail, but fixed.

Hi Beobuddy,

Does it make a difference of which make / software the BL’5 is, regarding the ICE amplifiers?

What is an good estimate for the costs a new chassis if needed?

Thank you for sharing your experience!

BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass

BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black

V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white

BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver

Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway

I know…B&O virus has grown on me ! 

politician
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 180
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
politician replied on Fri, May 15 2020 11:22 AM

The Beonic Man:
Do you mean the BeoLab 5s? !!! You've done well if you've had the 90s for 12 years!

I did, yes. Typing error! BeoLab 90s and 50s are what I have now.

CB
Top 75 Contributor
> You are Here <
Posts 1,762
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
CB replied on Fri, May 15 2020 6:51 PM
Hi Steve

I sold mine one year after the end of the warranty, because I did not trust either the speakers or the dealer.

Do not buy them if you are in this situation. You will not have peace of mind. It will spoil your pleasure...
wogga383
Not Ranked
Posts 41
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
wogga383 replied on Sat, May 16 2020 6:45 AM

Definitely glad you posted this Steve, I have just deleted a bargain of BL5's from my basket. Incidentally how does the chassis fail?

 

oli
Top 500 Contributor
Southeast of France
Posts 141
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
oli replied on Sat, May 16 2020 8:04 AM

There is nothing more nothing less issue regarding reliability than any other speaker with a lot of electronic embedded. Don't forget that it is the first B&O speaker to have so much digital stuff built in. Reliability is of course depending of the stability of the electric network, like for all electronic devices, like with a computer for example. I am pretty sure that BL50 and BL90 will have exactly the same "reliability" issue in comparaison to more simple speakers like a BL1 or BL8000, or of course a Penta, even more than the BL5 probably with the amount of embedded software which is not really a B&O strength...

When I bought mine from the dealer, he told me that most of the failure he noticed with these speakers was due to either the electric stability (which can be easily improved), or the intensive use of them at a very high volume like if it was matter to sound a night club 24x7...

Steve at Sounds Heavenly
Top 50 Contributor
The cable workshop, Leics, UK
Posts 2,165
OFFLINE
Gold Member

Hi everyone,

Many thanks for your responses, I really appreciate this.  I must admit that I was quite shocked at the reported failure rate of these speakers, I had previously assumed that just a small proportion were affected, mainly the earlier models.

If anyone out there has had Beolab 5s for years and used them daily without an issue, please can you let us know?  I am sure there must be more of these speakers out there that have behaved well.......

Thanks again, Steve.

Steve.

www.soundsheavenly.com

Founder of Sounds Heavenly Cables and Brand Ambassador for Bang & Olufsen

Sounds Heavenly are proud to sponsor BeoWorld!

Please check out my YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/soundsheavenlycables

mr_anders_son
Top 75 Contributor
sweden
Posts 1,710
OFFLINE
Founder
I have just bought a pair of MK2 for 5000€.

All electronics have there issues.

So I am not worried.

BeoVision Haermony 65"...BeoLab 28 Anthracite....BeoLab 17 as REAR....BV10-32....BC6-26....Beosound 9000....Beosound 1 New York edt....Beogram 4002....Beoplay Emerge....Beoplay M5....Beoplay M3....Beoremote Halo....BeoRemote One BT....Beo6....Beo4....Beo4 Cinema....BeoLink 7000....Serene....H95 Black LTD....H9i Rimowa....6 x H6....Form 1....U70...

Haubjes
Not Ranked
Posts 37
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Haubjes replied on Sat, May 16 2020 9:23 AM

Steve at Sounds Heavenly:

Hi everyone,

Many thanks for your responses, I really appreciate this.  I must admit that I was quite shocked at the reported failure rate of these speakers, I had previously assumed that just a small proportion were affected, mainly the earlier models.

If anyone out there has had Beolab 5s for years and used them daily without an issue, please can you let us know?  I am sure there must be more of these speakers out there that have behaved well.......

Thanks again, Steve.

Have had mine for a couple of years now (even ordered some cables from you back then), no problems whatsoever. They didnt skip a beat.

 

In fact, very glad I bought them. The sound is amazing and even though I don't use them all that frequently, they look amazing when turned off as well.

Bought an ex-showroom pair from 2012 or so (cant recall exactly). 

I would buy bl5again today if I had to start over.

mbdj
Not Ranked
Posts 74
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
mbdj replied on Sat, May 16 2020 9:42 AM
I’ve owned mine for 3 years and they have been faultless . I think long term they will be more desirable to own than the newer models the design will never date . Mine are used daily .

oli
Top 500 Contributor
Southeast of France
Posts 141
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
oli replied on Sat, May 16 2020 10:29 AM

Haubjes:

Steve at Sounds Heavenly:

Hi everyone,

Many thanks for your responses, I really appreciate this.  I must admit that I was quite shocked at the reported failure rate of these speakers, I had previously assumed that just a small proportion were affected, mainly the earlier models.

If anyone out there has had Beolab 5s for years and used them daily without an issue, please can you let us know?  I am sure there must be more of these speakers out there that have behaved well.......

Thanks again, Steve.

Have had mine for a couple of years now (even ordered some cables from you back then), no problems whatsoever. They didnt skip a beat.

 

In fact, very glad I bought them. The sound is amazing and even though I don't use them all that frequently, they look amazing when turned off as well.

Bought an ex-showroom pair from 2012 or so (cant recall exactly). 

I would buy bl5again today if I had to start over.

 

Same here. Bought a Final Edition pair in 2017. But I am working from home (though I have 25% travelling), so they are used almost everyday, all the day long.

I never had any issue with any B&O speaker in fact, however I got quite some with Beovisions after only 1 or 2 years (Beovision 10-46: its AC3module died, Beovision 10-32 panel dead). I also got the doors of the Beocenter 2 faulty after a few years.

Forget about the rumors and the bad experiences over Internet, and go for it ! Life is short ;-)

matador43
Top 75 Contributor
Posts 1,373
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
matador43 replied on Sat, May 16 2020 10:32 AM

CB:
Hi Steve
I sold mine one year after the end of the warranty, because I did not trust either the speakers or the dealer.
Do not buy them if you are in this situation. You will not have peace of mind. It will spoil your pleasure...

mr_anders_son:
I have just bought a pair of MK2 for 5000€.
All electronics have there issues.
So I am not worried.
Crossing these two post and some more stating they will eventually fail, I wonder if there is any "check list" when buying second hand?
Or after checking they sound good and the calibration works, is it just a matter of luck?
poodleboy
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 303
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
poodleboy replied on Sat, May 16 2020 1:10 PM

Probably just me, but I look at this like I would a pre-owned auto purchase.

Why are they selling? History and Records, please. 

What could go wrong, how likely is it (anecdotal evidence is sketchy), and how much will that cost? It is happens to one, should I repair them both? Will your expectations outlive the parts supply chain? Can I accept all that should it happen? 

What can I do to protect them? Hook them up to surge protector so spikes are minimised (known to break down circuits over time). Don't run them at "11". Buy where you have some purchase protection. Buy from a friend. 

There is a reason resale pricing on luxury motors falls off the cliff and fancy jewelry does not, and electronics are more like cars than cars are. 

But you can't beat the ride. 

Beobuddy
Top 25 Contributor
Utrecht, The Netherlands
Posts 3,972
OFFLINE
Founder
Beobuddy replied on Sat, May 16 2020 1:10 PM

oli:

There is nothing more nothing less issue regarding reliability than any other speaker with a lot of electronic embedded. Don't forget that it is the first B&O speaker to have so much digital stuff built in. Reliability is of course depending of the stability of the electric network, like for all electronic devices, like with a computer for example. I am pretty sure that BL50 and BL90 will have exactly the same "reliability" issue in comparaison to more simple speakers like a BL1 or BL8000, or of course a Penta, even more than the BL5 probably with the amount of embedded software which is not really a B&O strength...

When I bought mine from the dealer, he told me that most of the failure he noticed with these speakers was due to either the electric stability (which can be easily improved), or the intensive use of them at a very high volume like if it was matter to sound a night club 24x7...

I do not agree with this.

 

First the software is rock solid stable and never fails. It's a standalone device (or max with another BL5 for communication).

I do not agree the comparison with BL8000 and Penta, which hardly fail either. (I know BL8000 with foam issues..). If it fails it will be due to common known reasons which occur in lots of other devices.

Thing is that designs of the past has changed, specially the power supply's in a lot of devices. Think of all the small regulators that come with your phone, settopbox, you name it. These converters are relative new when you compare that with the old traditional power regulators that consists of only a transformer, rectifier and voltage regulator. These older regulators weren't so efficient and are by now replaced with smart switching regulators which are more efficient and smaller than the older version.

That principle of switching technology has been more and more used. The things is that these PSU's fail more than traditional regulators due to leaking capacitors (which are more stressed than in traditional power supply's) and combination of higher demands and physically smaller components.

Now has the switching technology also made it's introduction in ICE power amplifiers, where it's design is clever, small and efficient. But with regarding to the amount of power it can produce the change that it can fail lies higher than average, I think. The combination of degration of the components, level of stress they are subjected to. The reliability of these ICE power amplifiers are and will design wise improve.

 

A friend of mine has a set of BL5's and demoed a track of the band "Infected Mushrooms" (not my cup of thee), and I thought I saw the BL5's really moving along the floor. So, they can produce such enormous amount of music, my hearing hardly can beare. 

 

My advise, buy them when you can and enjoy them. But don't sell your Penta's. You might regret that eventually. And when the BL5 ever might fail, even the mk1 chassis can be fixed with the newer mk3 version. No problem.

 

Esax
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 323
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Esax replied on Sat, May 16 2020 5:03 PM
poodleboy:

Probably just me, but I look at this like I would a pre-owned auto purchase.

Why are they selling? History and Records, please.

What could go wrong, how likely is it (anecdotal evidence is sketchy), and how much will that cost? It is happens to one, should I repair them both? Will your expectations outlive the parts supply chain? Can I accept all that should it happen?

What can I do to protect them? Hook them up to surge protector so spikes are minimised (known to break down circuits over time). Don't run them at "11". Buy where you have some purchase protection. Buy from a friend.

There is a reason resale pricing on luxury motors falls off the cliff and fancy jewelry does not, and electronics are more like cars than cars are.

But you can't beat the ride.

I’m sure they are more reliable than cars. And cars you service all the time.

Beovision 7-55 MK1 red, Beolab 10 red. Beolab 50, all black. Beolab 17 broken ice. Beolab transmitter. Apple tv4 and apple express 2.

Beosince98
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 274
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Hi Steve,

I would strongly recommend getting Beolab 9. I own both, and Beolab 9 sound 97% as great as Beolab 5 do. Beolab 9 are probably the most overlooked and underrated speakers B&O has every produced. They are rock solid and more subtle visually than Beolab 5. They cost 1/3 of Beolab 5, and are way easier to transport. If you still feel that you are unhappy with them after a year or so, you can still sell them and get Beolab 5. I doubt that the price of Beolab 9 will Fall any further, as they are great value, even compared to speakers from other brands. I can’t say that I regret buying Beolab 5 as I got a good deal and they put a smile on my face every time I see and hear them, but it is far more sensible to get Beolab 9. Then again, people buying Bang & Olufsen usually are not really that sensible Wink. To answer your original question, I have never had any problems with my Beolab 5.
9 LEE
Top 10 Contributor
Eastbourne, UK
Posts 7,218
OFFLINE
Founder
Moderator
9 LEE replied on Sat, May 16 2020 7:26 PM

BeoLab 9's tend to eat tweeters, but in fairness that's a lot cheaper than replacing a chassis on a BeoLab 5.

As for as BeoLab 9's sounding 97% as good as BeoLab 5's. I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree.  I'd say BeoLab 9 are about 40% as good as BeoLab 5's.

I still think Lab 5's are amazing speakers.  Yes, they can go wrong - but I've not found them to be too bad over the years.

Lee

Jeff
Top 25 Contributor
USA
Posts 3,793
OFFLINE
Silver Member
Jeff replied on Sat, May 16 2020 11:03 PM

Esax:
poodleboy:

 

Probably just me, but I look at this like I would a pre-owned auto purchase.

 

Why are they selling? History and Records, please.

 

What could go wrong, how likely is it (anecdotal evidence is sketchy), and how much will that cost? It is happens to one, should I repair them both? Will your expectations outlive the parts supply chain? Can I accept all that should it happen?

 

What can I do to protect them? Hook them up to surge protector so spikes are minimised (known to break down circuits over time). Don't run them at "11". Buy where you have some purchase protection. Buy from a friend.

 

There is a reason resale pricing on luxury motors falls off the cliff and fancy jewelry does not, and electronics are more like cars than cars are.

 

But you can't beat the ride.

 

 

I’m sure they are more reliable than cars. And cars you service all the time.

Exactly! Why, last time my check engine light came on, they said no problem. They just removed and replaced the engine, transmission, and all suspension bits with a new chassis, and voila! I was on the road again!

Jeff

I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus. Sad

mr_anders_son
Top 75 Contributor
sweden
Posts 1,710
OFFLINE
Founder
9 LEE:

BeoLab 9's tend to eat tweeters, but in fairness that's a lot cheaper than replacing a chassis on a BeoLab 5.

As for as BeoLab 9's sounding 97% as good as BeoLab 5's. I'm afraid I will have to respectfully disagree. I'd say BeoLab 9 are about 40% as good as BeoLab 5's.

I still think Lab 5's are amazing speakers. Yes, they can go wrong - but I've not found them to be too bad over the years.

Lee

Yes I had Beolab 9 and I dont like the sound. To sharp.

BL5 is in another league!

BeoVision Haermony 65"...BeoLab 28 Anthracite....BeoLab 17 as REAR....BV10-32....BC6-26....Beosound 9000....Beosound 1 New York edt....Beogram 4002....Beoplay Emerge....Beoplay M5....Beoplay M3....Beoremote Halo....BeoRemote One BT....Beo6....Beo4....Beo4 Cinema....BeoLink 7000....Serene....H95 Black LTD....H9i Rimowa....6 x H6....Form 1....U70...

lawrencejmcook
Top 150 Contributor
Posts 742
OFFLINE
Founder
I agree. I had BL9s as fronts until I was able to get a pair of 5s.

The 5s sound transparent, natural and effortless in my relatively small living room. I can feel the bass as well as hear it, but it is in balance with mid-range, treble etc.

BL9s now doing duty as surround speakers.

Lawrence
Maniax
Not Ranked
Singapore
Posts 21
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Maniax replied on Sun, May 17 2020 12:05 PM

I have a pair of Beolab 5 final editions, and have been using them daily for TV and music for the last 4 to 5 years.

They have been faultless connected to my Beosound Moment, and are still wonderful sounding. I highly recommend you consider buying a used pair! I used to have an audiophile setup with a bad case of upgraditis, but with the current beolab 5 setup, I’ve finally kept the same setup for more than 3 years and am just appreciating and enjoying the music.

 

p.s.: I’ve also bought cables from Steve :)

Beolab 5 Final Edition, Beosound Moment

moxxey
Top 25 Contributor
South West, UK
Posts 5,359
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
moxxey replied on Sun, May 17 2020 12:45 PM

vikinger:

Some years ago I came across a technical article (that I can no longer find) claiming that the original BL5  microphone calibration had a notional life of about 200 uses, but that owners often liked to demonstrate the calibration to visitors to the extent that the mechanisms often suffered premature failure. Apparently B&O thought that calibration would only ever take place a handful of times.

Worst thing I ever did: calibrate the BL5. They were never the same again! When they first shipped they sounded fantastic, but as my (large) apartment has wooden flooring and sash windows, decided to calibrate after 2 months. It was almost as if someone removed the bass overnight. Incredible difference.

BL5s sound amazing when they aren't calibrated, but not sure I'd recommend them. I kept mine for 6 months, someone came along and offered a decent price and I had no hesitation selling them on. Great decision.

The idea of owning BL5 is more fantastical than actually using them. And unless you have a HUGE space and no neighbours, what's the point? I had enough complaints from my BL2.

Jaffrey2230
Top 150 Contributor
Washington DC
Posts 520
OFFLINE
Bronze Member

Steve, my experience with B&O hardware that they produced for a long period is that they would fix the problem without advertising the fix. In my case, both my original BL6000 and BL8000 suffered from woofer surround failure within 4-5 years. I then ended up with newer versions of the same speakers and they have worked well for 10 years and I use them every single day at all volumes. They are better made. I am assuming that if the chassis failure was common in the first gen BL5, it is likely B&O fixed them to be more reliable.

In addition to the Beolabs above, I even went from a 1st gen H9 headphone to the current gen 3. There is no comparison, the 3rd gen is way better in every way.

If I were you, I’d buy a newer BL5 in a heart beat from a reliable source. My 2 cents worth 🙂

B&O in my life 😊: 

 

  • Beolab 8002 + Beolab 2 + Beosound Core with Essence Remote (Office)
  • Beolab 6000 + Beolab 11 + Beosound Core with Essence Remote (Bedroom)
  • Beoplay A9 Mk2 (Living Room)
  • Beosound 1 with wireless dock (Portable)
  • Beosound Balance (Dining)
  • Beoplay H95 (Focused listening, travel)
  • Beoplay H9 (3rd gen) (retired)
  • Beoplay P6 (Portable)
  • Beotime wall clock (hallway entrance)
  • BMW X5 50i with B&O Audio Package (Commute/drive)

 

 

 

Mikipidia
Top 50 Contributor
Posts 2,169
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Mikipidia replied on Sun, May 17 2020 1:10 PM
You could always do the cup trick when calibrating themSmile

New: Beovision Harmony, Beolab 50's, Beolab 28's, Beolab 18's, Beolab 17's, Beosound Stage & LG, Beosound 2, Beoplay M3, Beoplay A1, Beoplay Portal, Beoplay H4 gen 2, Beoplay E8 3.0

Mikipedia on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/Mikipedia

Mikipedi4 on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/mikipedi4

Mikipedia on Intagram: https://www.instagram.com/mikipedi4/

Old: Beosound 9000 mk3, Beolab 3's, Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 1's, Beolab 2, Beovision 10-46, Overture 2300, beolab 8000's, Beolab 4000's, Beovision avant 32" etc. etc.

oli
Top 500 Contributor
Southeast of France
Posts 141
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
oli replied on Sun, May 17 2020 7:14 PM

Mikipidia:
You could always do the cup trick when calibrating themSmile

 

 

You can also just reset the calibration to factory default and not use it... But the leds will blink all the time.

 

Or as I said in another thread, you can (actually, you should !) just add an external DSP for room correction (like there is in BL50 and BL90) and enjoy the best sound you can get from these absolutely amazing Beolab 5:

https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/41838/305548.aspx#305548

Esax
Top 500 Contributor
Posts 323
OFFLINE
Bronze Member
Esax replied on Sun, May 17 2020 9:29 PM
oli:

You can also just reset the calibration to factory default and not use it... But the leds will blink all the time.

Or as I said in another thread, you can (actually, you should !) just add an external DSP for room correction (like there is in BL50 and BL90) and enjoy the best sound you can get from these absolutely amazing Beolab 5:

https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/41838/305548.aspx#305548

The beolab 50 has really good preset so you actually do not need the calibration. I’m told the 90’s don’t. I have the mic but doesn’t use it.

Beovision 7-55 MK1 red, Beolab 10 red. Beolab 50, all black. Beolab 17 broken ice. Beolab transmitter. Apple tv4 and apple express 2.

Page 1 of 2 (80 items) 1 2 Next > | RSS