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Fritz Posted: Tue, Jul 21 2020 11:13 AM

Dear All

The BM 5 Netradio Station List seems to be EOL according to Beo Support UK.

Latest update are from 15-12-2019 / 10-01-2020. This seems to be the last and final.

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Weebyx replied on Tue, Jul 21 2020 12:53 PM

Fritz:

Dear All

The BM 5 Netradio Station List seems to be EOL according to Beo Support UK.

Latest update are from 15-12-2019 / 10-01-2020. This seems to be the last and final.

Brgds/Fritz  

Does that just mean that they will not maintain the list anymore ? My BS5 has a "Last N.RADIO Update" of 2020-06-19. And I could see in the logs that it downloaded 441 logos today.

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Fritz replied on Wed, Jul 22 2020 9:36 AM

BM 5 N.Radio Station list will not be updated, Only BS 5.
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Razlaw replied on Wed, Jul 22 2020 3:11 PM
That does not make sense? The Beosound 5 is connected to a Beomaster 5.

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Fritz replied on Wed, Jul 22 2020 6:53 PM

It make sense allright, BM 5 can work as a standalone without BS 5.
The BM 5 software is cheking when booting up, if BS 5 module is connected, and loading the BS 5 software version. If not connected, it's loading the BM 5 software.
Try for youself and see.
Pls remember that BM 5 was also sold as a standalone unit..

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Carolpa replied on Wed, Jul 22 2020 7:23 PM

Fritz:
It make sense allright, BM 5 can work as a standalone without BS 5.

The BM 5 software is cheking when booting up, if BS 5 module is connected, and loading the BS 5 software version. If not connected, it's loading the BM 5 software.
Try for youself and see.
Pls remember that BM 5 was also sold as a standalone unit..

Brgds / Fritz. .

Please check the Register of the BM5/BS5 in both cases. Do you see other references to Netradio in both cases??

 

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Fritz replied on Wed, Jul 22 2020 11:39 PM

Yes
On BS 5 latest update 13-07-2020
On BM 5 latest update 10-01-2020 or 15-12-2019.
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Carolpa replied on Thu, Jul 23 2020 5:38 AM
Fritz:

Yes On BS 5 latest update 13-07-2020 On BM 5 latest update 10-01-2020 or 15-12-2019. Brgds/Fritz

on BS5? How do you mean?

It is always on the BM5 ( stand alone or as combi)

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Carolpa replied on Thu, Jul 23 2020 5:44 AM
Fritz:

Yes On BS 5 latest update 13-07-2020 On BM 5 latest update 10-01-2020 or 15-12-2019. Brgds/Fritz

another question: what about the difference in Netradio sw in the Register

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Weebyx replied on Thu, Jul 23 2020 11:56 AM

Fritz:

Yes
On BS 5 latest update 13-07-2020
On BM 5 latest update 10-01-2020 or 15-12-2019.
Brgds/Fritz

I am confused.

Are we talking about Beosound 5 Encore here ? The Beosound 5 in combination with Beomaster 5, is just display and controller ?

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Fritz replied on Thu, Jul 23 2020 2:49 PM

We are talking about Beomaster 5 with or without Beosund 5 connected.
With Beosund 5 connected N.Radio Station List updates are still comming.
Beosound 5 Encore is another product.

Brrds/Fritz.

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Weebyx replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 8:52 AM

Fritz:

We are talking about Beomaster 5 with or without Beosund 5 connected.
With Beosund 5 connected N.Radio Station List updates are still comming.
Beosound 5 Encore is another product.

Brrds/Fritz.

Ok, it just seems odd that the BM5 standalone does not get the update, I thought it was the same SW they where running ? I guess what they mean is if it is build into a BV9 or similar ?

 

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Fritz replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 10:55 AM

Correct.

The BM 5 is actually an update of the BeoMedia 1.
The issue was that one needed a TV to prgramme the BM 5.
Then B&O came uo with the BS 5 solution, så it could work as a standalone without at TV.
As you have written before, the BS 5 is the replacement for the TV, but with a lot more features than the BM 5 itself. 

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Carolpa replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 11:41 AM

Fritz:
but with a lot more features than the BM 5 itself. 
Such as?

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beolion replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 1:22 PM
I used to only have the BM5 connected to a tv but after a year I ended buying the BS5 as well. Additional features as I remember.

Much easier to scan your music compared to TV

You can assign N.RADIO to RADIO and N.MUSIC to CD

You can assign BM5 as DNLA server

Spotify integration (when it worked)

You can use the USB input on BM5 with a.aux

You can have the BM5 “on” all the time for quick start up

Ability to attached a CD to play and/or rip CD (I don’t have this though)

That is what came to my mind.

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Carolpa replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 2:31 PM

My point: Fritz made it sound like the BM5/tv combi is something completely different from the BS5 (the BM5/BS5 combi). I disagree with that vision. Lots of the features were introduced much later when the BM5/BS5 sw had matured.

beolion:
Much easier to scan your music compared to TV
True: other interface, I did prefere the BS5 also.
beolion:
You can assign N.RADIO to RADIO and N.MUSIC to CD
Much later introduced
beolion:
You can assign BM5 as DNLA server
A main difference between the two
beolion:
Spotify integration (when it worked)
A feature introduced almost at BS5 EOL. With lots of hick-ups because of sw changes (at Spotify)
beolion:
You can use the USB input on BM5 with a.aux
Introduced much later
beolion:
You can have the BM5 “on” all the time for quick start up
To my knowledge this was the same for both
beolion:
Ability to attached a CD to play and/or rip CD
Introduced also much later. To me it didn't make sense....... You have a BS5 to listen to Music Files so why the feature to listen to CD's. Ripping and tagging to my preference has always been better with a pc.

SO at the start the BM5 was the successor of the BM1 and the BS5 a new/other interface to the BM5.  Later it was just the BS5 (the combi BM5/BS5) which evolved! 

 

 

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Fritz replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 3:56 PM

Correct..
Many of the highligts were due to suggestions/feedback from customers.

Reason for this was the decission to EOL the BS 4 and BC 2, meaning that B&O would not have a music system.
However this thread is about BM 5 N.Radio Station List Updates.

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Carolpa replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 5:23 PM

Fritz:
However this thread is about BM 5 N.Radio Station List Updates.
True.

So why should the Netradio part of the BM5 be different if connected to a BV from connected to a BS5?

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Fritz replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 5:34 PM

That's the way B&O designed the system.
BM 5 standalone with BV connected "system one"
BM/BS5 with or without a BV connected "system two" 

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Carolpa replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 5:53 PM

Fritz:
That's the way B&O designed the system. 

BM 5 standalone with BV connected "system one"
BM/BS5 with or without a BV connected "system two" 

Brgds/Fritz

I disagree. Just because the difference in basic software starting after booting a BM5, does not mean Netradio will be different.

 

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Fritz replied on Fri, Jul 24 2020 6:07 PM

But it is, and dont ask me why :)
I agree it would have been smart if using same system.
When BS 5 was put on the marked as a "add on", the BM 5 software soon after was EOL,
and only the BS 5 part of the software was upgraded and updated. Dont ask me why :)
BM 5 was designed for Beo 4, BS 5 was designed Beo 5 and Beo 6

 

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Fritz replied on Tue, Aug 18 2020 6:04 PM

Dear All

B&O Struer has today updated the Beomaster 5 N.Radio Station list.
The version: 2020-07-15
Beomaster 5 is no longer End of Life.
It's has taken a long time.

repeat BM 5 is no longer EOL..

Brgds/Fritz

 

 

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Razlaw replied on Tue, Aug 18 2020 7:48 PM
My Beosound 5 shows last update 5/23/20.

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Fritz replied on Wed, Aug 19 2020 4:36 AM

Beosound 5 and Beomaster 5 is not the same product.
Beosound 5 is an addon to Beomaster 5.
Beomaster 5 can Work as a standalone without Beosound 5.

 

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Aug 19 2020 12:26 PM
Fritz:

Beosound 5 and Beomaster 5 is not the same product. Beosound 5 is an addon to Beomaster 5. Beomaster 5 can Work as a standalone without Beosound 5.

Obviously. But they both use the exact same Beomaster 5. I could connect my Beomaster 5 to my tv if I wanted to instead of the Beosound 5. I see no reason that updates to the BM 5 would be affected by the control/display option selected. If you are correct, I could connect my BM5 to one of my Beovisions and suddenly it would update?

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Fritz replied on Wed, Aug 19 2020 8:32 PM

The issue is the N.Radio List.
The update list on BS 5 is not the same as on BM 5.
Described in ealier posts.
One need to know the software and hardware difference between BM 5 with or without BS5.
As written before, BM 5 is an updated version of BeoMedia 1.
The update list for BS 5 does not Work for BM 5.
And the N.Radio update list is only updated on request if the a detailed URL for each station is attached,
and will Work on the BM 5 platform. 

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Aug 19 2020 10:32 PM
B and O advised me today a Net Radio update for a Beomaster 5 is compatible with a Beosound 5.

The reason for my Beosound 5 still having the May list is due to rollouts of the updates occurring at different times for different regions.

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Fritz replied on Wed, Aug 19 2020 11:14 PM

Sorry to say, Its corrrect with regards to BS5, inkl regions.
BS5 uses another platform. Pls keep BM 5 and BS 5 completely separated.
It's two different products. Not all in the B&O support is aware of this.
Pls read this thread from begning to the end.
Espeacilly if you have a Beovision 9.

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Aug 19 2020 11:21 PM
I have read the entire thread and I respectfully disagree with you.

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Fritz replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 10:39 AM

To clearify BM 5 as a standalone unit without BS 5 connected., uses N.Radio another station list. .
Try for yourself:

Pls remenber to make a clean reboot without any cables from BS5 connected to BM 5
And use a compatible Beovision to accesc the BM 5, according to the BM5 manual.
Pls revert with date of update  from BM5 as shown on the Beovision in N.Radio mode. 

 

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 12:38 PM
Which list will the Beomaster 5 use if connected to both a Beosound 5 and a tv simultaneously?

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Fritz replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 1:21 PM

It will only use and update the BS5 N.Radio station list which is updated weekly.

 

 

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Fritz replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 3:16 PM

There might be two issues:
Check that the BS5 is set to automatic software update.
If so, the database might be corrupt, then do as follows
From B&O Support:
Usually, the product updates the database once a week.If the CD ripper has not been used on the device you can then delete the database on the Beosound 5.
To do so lever on mode => wheel on settings => press right+left+right+left arrow then GO => maintenance => delete databases thence the system will reboot. Wait for a database to download after rebooting.

 

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Aug 20 2020 10:05 PM
Thank you. The database solution fixed the problem. Now shows today’s date as last update. Additionally it fixed a problem with a station that had stopped working on both the Beosound 5 and my net link products. Still does not work on NL but does on the Beosound 5 now.

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Fritz replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 12:45 AM

Nice to hear :)
About NetLink, it might be a setup issue in the ML/NL converter.
Thats why i am using BM5 as standalone using MasterLink for remote operation..

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Razlaw replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 1:02 AM
I don’t have a converter. NL and ML products work separately .

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Fritz replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 1:35 AM

The BS5 was designed for ML operation, then the BS5 software was updated to use the Network using Beo6 two way.
If the BS5 works after the N.radio list update, this means that ML link will work also.using N.music and N.radio.
Via the Netlink the BM5 can transfer N.music and N.Radion to a BV without a ML connection. Eg BV11.

If your Netlink product has the same issue, then you need to do a Database cleanup. Reference the extended usermanual for the specific product,, similar to the BS5.
I have used a NL/ML converter, and here it was a setup issue, Used a lot of time to solve this, but after it worked perfect.
Hope this information could help.

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Razlaw replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 1:55 AM
I don’t think that is the problem. There is another thread here about similar problems. Others have tried the station that I have problems with and their systems behave exactly the same as mine if they try the station.

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Fritz replied on Fri, Aug 21 2020 3:39 AM

I fully understand, and a total reset and reboot will not be an option in this case.
Hope that you will getting it solved. BM5 uses one platform, BS5 another etc.
It would have been smart if only one platform was used.
Good Luck

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