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Beovision Harmony Connection Issues

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Aussie Michael
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Aussie Michael Posted: Mon, Dec 20 2021 3:18 AM

Hi,

I've been having an issue with the new Harmony where it is losing the connection between the screen and the sound centre. It's now happened about 6 times and I've been waiting incase it was something that would work itself out.  

It is an intermittent problem. And not sure if it was a result of a software update.  

Essentially they are not talking to each other and I've come to the conclusion that it really is operating like a TV with a Stage. 

How i know its going to not work is when:

- I click the TV button on the remote which is set to start Foxtel (an external cable TV box) and the screen shows HDMI2 on the side instead of HDMI2 Foxtel as it normally would (the label) 

- The BR1 will not have any list functions at all 

- The volume up and down will not work

- The B&O remote app on the TV is inoperable and you get the message "unable to connect to your Bang & Olufsen product.  Please check that your LAN cable is connected to the TV and try again".  You have the option to try again or Disable the B&O app.

- It is connected via LAN and everything is connected by CAT cable.  

 

So i have to when the TV is on:

- Get the LG remote and manually turn off the TV and then back on again

- Note: sometimes that works and today it didn't.  I've also done a reset of my network modem / router etc. 

 

I will contact the dealer and they are responsive and great, but I thought if there was a setting that perhaps someone knows if they have experienced the same would save going down an extraneous path. 

 

Thanks 

 

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Dec 20 2021 4:54 AM

Aussie Michael:
- It is connected via LAN and everything is connected by CAT cable.  
and how about the HDMI connection between the LG tv and the Harmony? Is the eARC set?

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Yes it’s all set correctly

It does work but when it’s off for a while and then when you turn it on it’s like they don’t want to talk to each other
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Carolpa replied on Mon, Dec 20 2021 5:53 AM
Aussie Michael:

Yes it’s all set correctly

It does work but when it’s off for a while and then when you turn it on it’s like they don’t want to talk to each other

a hdmi 2 cable is used? Connected to the right ports?

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vlohjr1 replied on Mon, Dec 20 2021 8:32 AM
Aussie Michael:

Hi,

I've been having an issue with the new Harmony where it is losing the connection between the screen and the sound centre. It's now happened about 6 times and I've been waiting incase it was something that would work itself out.

It is an intermittent problem. And not sure if it was a result of a software update.

Essentially they are not talking to each other and I've come to the conclusion that it really is operating like a TV with a Stage.

How i know its going to not work is when:

- I click the TV button on the remote which is set to start Foxtel (an external cable TV box) and the screen shows HDMI2 on the side instead of HDMI2 Foxtel as it normally would (the label)

- The BR1 will not have any list functions at all

- The volume up and down will not work

- The B&O remote app on the TV is inoperable and you get the message "unable to connect to your Bang & Olufsen product. Please check that your LAN cable is connected to the TV and try again". You have the option to try again or Disable the B&O app.

- It is connected via LAN and everything is connected by CAT cable.

So i have to when the TV is on:

- Get the LG remote and manually turn off the TV and then back on again

- Note: sometimes that works and today it didn't. I've also done a reset of my network modem / router etc.

I will contact the dealer and they are responsive and great, but I thought if there was a setting that perhaps someone knows if they have experienced the same would save going down an extraneous path.

Thanks

Same here

That has been going on since I bought the tv last year.

It only happens at start up and with a sky box but not internal app on the lg. I have sound but no picture. I need to switch off the tv and start again

The dealer think it’s a handshake issue and did some settings change but it never seemed to be be resolved.

Thanks

Vince

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Thanks Vince

I think that perhaps maybe it has a CEC setting that’s somehow affecting it.

It’s definitely not the luxury experience I was expecting.

I’m testing a number of scenarios.
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vlohjr1 replied on Tue, Dec 21 2021 1:59 PM
Aussie Michael:

Thanks Vince

I think that perhaps maybe it has a CEC setting that’s somehow affecting it.

It’s definitely not the luxury experience I was expecting.

I’m testing a number of scenarios.

Thanks Michael would be grateful I fou could share some of you findings thanks vince

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Fansastic replied on Tue, Dec 21 2021 7:29 PM
Hi, do you use a puc connection with your set top box? I have such a box for my tv service connected to hdmi A in the soundcenter and connected a puc cable to the box. In the setup menu on the source (hmdmi A - renamed to my tv service provider) I can switch of the hdmi remote control and select puc connection in submenu called device installation.

To summarise:

Settopbox connected to HDMI A

Select source HDMI A (you can rename it to your service provider)

Select Installation device

Set puc connection

Again in source HDMI select HDMI control switched of

This is how my Harmony works. On startup the set top box has to power up - before booting up the TV shows HDMI A and as soon the box is on it shows the name as set in the sourcelist.

Hope this helps.

BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass

BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black

V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white

BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver

Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway

I know…B&O virus has grown on me ! 

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Hi,

Yes I use the PUC connection. 

Yesterday I went in to the B&O app and under HDMI A and changed HDMI Control to off. I turned off the Harmony and then wait for the morning. 

The same situation happened this morning and no sound and no list functions on BR1 (therefore not connected to the B&O app).

So with the Harmony on (TV on and the SC in the open position) i grabbed the LG remote and pressed the power button to turn it off and on, but i only had to press the button once and it sort of reset itself again and then it said "network connected" and then it worked fine.

I also turned off the HDMI CEC (LG Simplink) too.

I will report this now as a bug with the store for them to raise with B&O for resolution. 

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Carolpa replied on Wed, Dec 22 2021 5:16 AM

Aussie Michael:
I will report this now as a bug with the store for them to raise with B&O for resolution. 
Wise. Do so.

But did you investigate your Sky box out settings also?

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vlohjr1 replied on Wed, Dec 22 2021 10:11 AM
Aussie Michael:

Hi,

Yes I use the PUC connection.

Yesterday I went in to the B&O app and under HDMI A and changed HDMI Control to off. I turned off the Harmony and then wait for the morning.

The same situation happened this morning and no sound and no list functions on BR1 (therefore not connected to the B&O app).

So with the Harmony on (TV on and the SC in the open position) i grabbed the LG remote and pressed the power button to turn it off and on, but i only had to press the button once and it sort of reset itself again and then it said "network connected" and then it worked fine.

I also turned off the HDMI CEC (LG Simplink) too.

I will report this now as a bug with the store for them to raise with B&O for resolution.

Thank you For the advice I will try it as well thanks vince

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Ok, coming back to my own post, and for those that might not see my comments in the other thread and also a reference to myself and slightly modified 

Issue: 

  • Press TV (Foxtel) Foxtel is set to start from standby when you press TV 
  • TV would raise
  • Harmony speakers would open
  • No Sound
  • No Volume On Screen Display
  • No List functions on the BR1 so you wouldn’t be able to use the Stand / Speaker options
  • You could press the volume and it would start, but it was loud and you can move the volume up 

 The work around was for me (just power cycling the LG screen would cause them to be connected again after start) :

  • Start the Harmony up (no sound etc)
  • Then after 5 minutes or so (don’t go too early), You would have to get the LG remote and press the power button once
  • It would then cycle the TV off (with the harmony speakers open and on) , and then cycle it on (it takes about 30 seconds) and whilst cycling the Harmony speaker would turn off and on briefly 
  • If i didn’t wait 5-10 mins what would happen is you have to press the power off on the LG remote either a number of times so it's best just to wait (Otherwise you could hold down BR1 power for a total NL shutdown of all NL devices on your network, and the TV would turn off AND the speakers would close (as it should))
  • TV would restart with the speakers still open
  • Volume On Screen Display would come up
  • List functions restored; and
  • Splash screen saying “wired network is connected”

 

I would complete the work around and it might be OK say if i turn off for an hour and then back on (but not always the case eg happening each time i turn it off and on), however, over night it's like everything goes in to a deep sleep, i would have to repeat it on the first start up of the day (or as needed). 

 

B&O service came out and did a software update but that didn’t do anything when the TV was turned on the following day. 

After a week or so, then B&O service said they would like to come and replace the main board, which I’m hesitant to do at this stage.  It's brand new basically! But if it plays up after my next round of tests then they will have to.  

 

So i started doing a few tests in between this:

  1. Changed CEC off my Foxtel Box (doesn't matter as it uses PUC) but my thought was that somehow when i turned off using the BR1 it somehow sent a second command to deep sleep 
  2. Quick Start Plus Off (which seems counter intuitive) 
  3. Spamming the LG remote mute button and doing an AV reset

 

After testing these scenarios and then leaving over night and testing, it come to that if you turn off the Quick Start Plus  to off on the LG menu in the LG (not the B&O app nor the Harmony Sound Centre), I don't seem to have the same issue overnight which is what i did before. 

I have an LG G1 so it's under the General > Devices > TV Management 

I’m monitoring it and will confirm with the service if it in fact works or it might go suddenly again. 

Other scenarios i will test because it wasn't also happening with the Foxtel box is what happens when i test say starting YouTube from Standby.  

 

Cheers, 

Michael.

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Richtw2 replied on Tue, Jan 25 2022 7:46 AM

I also have this exact same problem which i have raised in another thread.  For a bit of background TV was great from install in September through to December when it started happening.

I have unchecked the quick start plus and see if it makes a difference tonight.

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Richtw2:

I also have this exact same problem which i have raised in another thread. For a bit of background TV was great from install in September through to December when it started happening.

I have unchecked the quick start plus and see if it makes a difference tonight.

Ok,

Let’s see.

If not then let’s try the AV Reset next, because that’s what I also tried.

But yes, I’m the same. It just happened over night.

Fingers crossed for tonight.
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Beobuddy replied on Tue, Jan 25 2022 10:29 AM

Aussie Michael:

- The B&O remote app on the TV is inoperable and you get the message "unable to connect to your Bang & Olufsen product.  Please check that your LAN cable is connected to the TV and try again".  You have the option to try again or Disable the B&O app.

- It is connected via LAN and everything is connected by CAT cable.  

If I understood correctly, there is a workaround to swap the cat cable for another, better version. Your dealer should know this.

 

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Beobuddy:

If I understood correctly, there is a workaround to swap the cat cable for another, better version. Your dealer should know this.

Thanks

I thought they would have tried this before they went down the path of saying they will swap the main board.

When I call them back / when they call me, I’ll mention this to them, thanks

The B&O Service company is a new company in Australia, so I think they are finding things out.

Regards,

Michael.
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Richtw2 replied on Tue, Jan 25 2022 12:53 PM

Interesting - the Harmony sound stage has a fixed Ethernet cable out of it (no idea what CAT it is?) this then connects to a small RJ45 to RJ45 coupler which is not marked with respect to any CAT rating (it is steel and appears shielded), there is then a short patch cable to the LG (Cat 6).  I'd be surprised if this patch cable makes much of a difference as it is only 30cm long or so?

Anyway just ordered a Cat8 patch cable.... can't harm!

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I have this same frustrating issue with my Harmony 88. Please let us know how you guys went ?

thanks

Ash

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Beobuddy replied on Tue, Jan 25 2022 6:19 PM

I’ve been given a high quality S/FTP patch cord Cat 6A as replacement.

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I was thinking last night, which CAT cable did you mean? The one from the sound centre (that you can’t see the end of) to the coupler? Or the small one from the coupler to the TV?

I tried my own cable too and it had no effect.

I thought for a moment maybe the coupler is fried?

I tried all of these before doing the QS+ and AV Reset. I don’t think that the AV reset did anything. But when I turn the QS+ back on, I get the issue back. Turn it off, wait over night and gone.

Also in the B&O app for HDMI A (Foxtel) it is set with HDMI Control to Off.
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Richtw2 replied on Wed, Jan 26 2022 7:31 AM

Well I am still in the same state of not working!  

 

Tried the QS+ set to off - turn TV on using BR and opens, no sound out of the speakers.  Tried the AV reset next, still no effect TV turns on and no sound out of the speakers.  Tried the CEC next still no sound.  Only way to resolve it was to turn it off, wait for a few minutes and turn it back on, sound restored!  Takes about 30 - 40 minutes of messing about each evening just to turn a TV on!

There is really something not right - now i am not so sure it is software, wondering if B&O changed a board design due to component shortage and there is an embedded issue. 

Not really a very good experience - Thanks B&O!

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Oh I feel disappointed it didn’t work for you.

I’ll check some other settings and post them.

Clearly it’s a bigger issue and now it’s affected several others.
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vlohjr1 replied on Wed, Jan 26 2022 9:43 AM
Aussie Michael:

Oh I feel disappointed it didn’t work for you.

I’ll check some other settings and post them.

Clearly it’s a bigger issue and now it’s affected several others.

I have turned off as suggested by you Michael over the weekend and so far no issues so thanks for this

Furthermore by switching Quick+ off I noticed sound and picture come on with better sync than previously will keep posted
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Richtw2 replied on Fri, Jan 28 2022 8:04 AM

Ok so had a B&O visit, changed some of the DNS settings of the LG screen, installed a PUC lead into the Sky box.  So far TV is good - still get the BL28'2 dropping the connection between the TV even thought they are on the network and play fine....

Progress but not quite there!

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vlohjr1 replied on Fri, Jan 28 2022 9:13 AM
Richtw2:

Ok so had a B&O visit, changed some of the DNS settings of the LG screen, installed a PUC lead into the Sky box. So far TV is good - still get the BL28'2 dropping the connection between the TV even thought they are on the network and play fine....

Progress but not quite there!

Have you notice rather than dropping connection whether there is a delay between tv speakers and the bl28? Thanks
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Richtw2 replied on Fri, Jan 28 2022 9:28 AM

No delay when they are working, the BL28s do not drop in operation.  The connection to the BL28's is lost to the TV when it is all in standby overnight.

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vlohjr1:

I have turned off as suggested by you Michael over the weekend and so far no issues so thanks for this

Furthermore by switching Quick+ off I noticed sound and picture come on with better sync than previously will keep posted

Yay.

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Richtw2 replied on Mon, Jan 31 2022 7:32 AM

Quick update - had a second B&O technical guy out, changed the DNS settings on the panel and so far so good the Harmony itself is working.  The only minor issue i have still is that 30% of the time the WiSA connection to the BL28 speakers is lost and they need rebooting and reading back to the Harmony settings.

Suggestion from B&O is that it is likely a channel congestion on the Wifi network in the house but this is relatively easy to fix....  progress :) 

 

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