ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
MartinW:Hi Elephant, literally the only difference is that with 14.5 you get an extra satellite speaker and a different cable, so they are one in the same but you save a little bit of investment on the B&O variant by not getting the bits you don't need. I think its the perfect approach having seen it. Even the box is the same :)
BeoNut since '75
The new product teaser from B&O. Launch next week! With pic!
See also: www.twitter.com/beo_news or www.twitter.com/bangolufsen
Is that someone, who reads the news on BeoWorld and then Twitters what he just read?
Grrr! Millemissen
There is a tv - and there is a BV
We just got ours in the shop today and we here are all pleasantly surprised with the performance and design. We have been biting our tongue the last few weeks with our initial thoughts. I have to admit it blew us all way. The packaging, ease of setup, and overall appeal. It seems to hit all the marks it needs to in regards to whom it is initially marketed to, and for what it is. I think once everyone actually sees and hears it, you will agree as well.
Ah, you know... A little B&O here, a little there
BeoMegaMan:We just got ours in the shop today and we here are all pleasantly surprised with the performance and design. We have been biting our tongue the last few weeks with our initial thoughts. I have to admit it blew us all way. The packaging, ease of setup, and overall appeal. It seems to hit all the marks it needs to in regards to whom it is initially marketed to, and for what it is. I think once everyone actually sees and hears it, you will agree as well.
Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)
BeoMegaMan: We just got ours in the shop today and we here are all pleasantly surprised with the performance and design. We have been biting our tongue the last few weeks with our initial thoughts. I have to admit it blew us all way. The packaging, ease of setup, and overall appeal. It seems to hit all the marks it needs to in regards to whom it is initially marketed to, and for what it is. I think once everyone actually sees and hears it, you will agree as well.
"ease of setup"
How is it actually connected to a BeoVision?
Greetings Millemissen
In our case it is connected to a BV11 via 3NL cables (CAT7). Everything else is included in the box including wiring to each sat. Plug in the sub, connect the sats, jump in the menus and address everything and your done. Obviously, we don't need to hide wires in the shop thanks to our floor runners. You really should be able to stage the system for mounting (including testing out the performance) in 30-45 minutes or less. And that's for someone with out extensive knowledge on the subject. We had it up and running in about 20 minutes. Would have been less but we had to really investigate each part to see if it past our initial sweep of the system. Which it did!!
I suppose you just choose the BeoLab 14-entry from the sound-settings menu of the BV11, but how is it then connected to a BV10 or so (where the BL14 can't be found in the menu)?
One would suspect a simple software update would lend you the name and appropriate frequency cutoffs in a BV10. In the past on the older chassis you could use a different speaker in the menu till B&O updates it correctly to your chassis. Possibly BL4 or 4k and a BL2? As far as actually connecting to the BV10, you would need to get the PL>NL cables at the dealer when you purchase.
I'm way more intrigued by those red BL5's, they look amazing Just wish I had room for 5's
Mikkel Petersen: I'm way more intrigued by those red BL5's, they look amazing Just wish I had room for 5's
Same here! Super delicious!
BeoMegaMan: One would suspect a simple software update would lend you the name and appropriate frequency cutoffs in a BV10. In the past on the older chassis you could use a different speaker in the menu till B&O updates it correctly to your chassis. Possibly BL4 or 4k and a BL2? As far as actually connecting to the BV10, you would need to get the PL>NL cables at the dealer when you purchase.
But connecting the BV14-set with the cable you mentioned must mean that you are outputting a 5.1-sound signal to the set/the sub/the controlunit.
Usually you then must be able to assign the speakers (right front and so on) and the distance and so far....
Can that all be done, when you choose BV14 in the settings of the BV11?
Choosing another entry e.g. BL4 (on a BV10) normally only would let you output a stereo-signal to the speakers connected - not a 5.1 signal!.
I must say...I don't quite get the picture (yet)!
Update: just saw that you did write 3 x NL-cables (RJ45PowerLink cables) - I overlooked that in the first.
That might make sense then.
Means you have a bundle of three NL-cables running from the tv to the BL14-sub/controlunit, right?
To my understanding each NL contains a stereo signal similar to powerlink, think running one PL to both speakers in daisy format and selecting L or R on the speaker to denote which signal it is to pickup. So 3 NL= to 6 potential speakers. L+R+LR+RR+SUB, center is in the screen. The 11 is doing the processing and simply sending it to the amplifier in the sub to be directed to the speakers them selves. Additionally, you are not just selecting BeoLab 14 in the setup. You configure the sub as BeoLab 14 sub (it's in the menus) and then address each speaker as a BeoLab 14 and tell it which signal to receive (L,R, LR, RR). Again all very similar to how we do it now on either chassis.
As you may have seen, I just came across what you meant in your first posting.
But thanks anyway for the perfect explanation in your last posting 😄
Even I understand it now 👍
I ought to get some sleep now, so....
SirGadget:I'm way more intrigued by those red BL5's, they look amazing Just wish I had room for 5's
vlohjr1: SirGadget: I'm way more intrigued by those red BL5's, they look amazing Just wish I had room for 5's This was discussed in another thread produced by bo for the Asian market where red and gold represent lucky and wealth for the Chinese in limited numbers 500 I think Regards Vince
SirGadget: I'm way more intrigued by those red BL5's, they look amazing Just wish I had room for 5's
This was discussed in another thread produced by bo for the Asian market where red and gold represent lucky and wealth for the Chinese in limited numbers 500 I think
Regards
Vince
Red and gold might also be appropriate if one is a fan of that particular Fairport Convention song and/or record!
....that actually was a Ralph McTell song and tells the story of the 'Battle of Cropredy Bridge' - the story is told from the perspective of a farm worker, Will Timms, who describes "red and gold" as "royal colours", while the red itself represents the spilled blood of combatants and the gold the wheat fields in which the battle took place.
And this has not much to do with the chinese 'luck and wealth'
But it is a good song - wonder how it sounds on a BeoLab 14-set 😄
I am curious about how will the bl14 compare against the bl2 and bl11.
Now that I finally understood how a BL14-set is connected to a BV, I see that it very well might be possible to use some good existing frontspeakers in a combination with the BL14-sub and the two rear satelites.
Buing a complete set would leave me with a pair of BL14-satelites....which could be used in another room as rears driven by a ML/MCL-converter/2P amp.
Well, I really am looking forward to hearing and seeing the BL14-set!
As for red and gold, I know that the little envelopes the Chinese hand out on Chinese New Years, lucky money, are bright red with gold characters on them. Still, I think it'd be a hideous color for a pair of Lab 5's, but for the Chinese market is probably the bees knees, I've seen where license plates in places like Hong Kong that have particularly lucky numbers have sold for astronomical amounts of money.
Jeff
I'm afraid I'm recovering from the BeoVirus.
The BL2 and BL11still have there rightful place in the portfolio. ^^
As for using the BL14 with another pair of L+R speakers, while I would say it could be done, I question why someone would go that route. Wouldn't it kinda defeat the purpose of the BL14 system all together? For the price point you could purchase rears and hold out a little longer for a BL2 or look on the used market.
Millemissen:Now that I finally understood how a BL14-set is connected to a BV, I see that it very well might be possible to use some good existing frontspeakers in a combination with the BL14-sub and the two rear satelites. Buing a complete set would leave me with a pair of BL14-satelites....which could be used in another room as rears driven by a ML/MCL-converter/2P amp. Well, I really am looking forward to hearing and seeing the BL14-set! Greetings Millemissen
BeoMegaMan: I question why someone would go that route.
Existing subs are in very divided camps. I am a big fan of the bl2 and have two. I did borrow a bv11 for the week end when they were launched and tried it with 8000s and it did not make any difference. That's why I am thinking B&O might make something below the bl2 and above the bl11.
MartinW: Millemissen: Now that I finally understood how a BL14-set is connected to a BV, I see that it very well might be possible to use some good existing frontspeakers in a combination with the BL14-sub and the two rear satelites...... Or use all four satellites so that your existing front speakers stay at the front whilst the four satellite speakers make up the 7.1 surround sound setup?
Millemissen: Now that I finally understood how a BL14-set is connected to a BV, I see that it very well might be possible to use some good existing frontspeakers in a combination with the BL14-sub and the two rear satelites......
Now that I finally understood how a BL14-set is connected to a BV, I see that it very well might be possible to use some good existing frontspeakers in a combination with the BL14-sub and the two rear satelites......
Or use all four satellites so that your existing front speakers stay at the front whilst the four satellite speakers make up the 7.1 surround sound setup?
That is a good point!
With my post I just wanted to figure out the possibilities that come with the new set.
If it is/what is working of course depends your recent setup, the room and for what you mostly use your system (music vs video).
It is quite clear that - if you already have a pair of BL5 or 9 - you don't need the BL14-sub.
I just wanted us to do some 'creative thinking' 👍
The Beophile.com website has a picture up which may be the satellites.
http://beophile.com/
They are the satellites..
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
rob08: The Beophile.com website has a picture up which may be the satellites. http://beophile.com/
Nice :)
To my ear the subwoofer unit for the BeoLab 14 setup is much more powerful than the BeoLab 11, which is a very delicate sub. It was able to really give a thumping bass where the BeoLab 11 would just add depth. (hopefully that distinction makes sense when written out)
TripEnglish:(hopefully that distinction makes sense when written out)
Thanks for that Trip, its sounding very interesting. looking forward to hearing it during the week.
The white one show his rear part or the front part?
Beovision 10-46, Beocenter 1, Beo 4, Beocom 4, Beolit 12, Beosound 4, Beosound Essence, Beolab 6000
Meh.
Veermer: The white one show his rear part or the front part?
The backside of a 'rear speaker' - the fronts are on the wall by the BV11.
Jeff: StUrrock:Shame the BL14 hasn't got playmaker built in, missed opportunity there. While that could be slick for some folks, if they did, everyone who didn't want to stream directly to it would be complaining about how B&O were ripping them off by making them buy something they didn't need! Jeez, the thing isn't even out yet and y'all are slagging it, and you don't even know officially what it looks like! Besides, if they did that STB couldn't sell a bracket to hang the PM off the back, and Sounds Heavenly couldn't sell cables to it! And who wants that big a sub? Hmmmm...tough question, maybe people who actually want decent bass? B&O woofers and subs already are smaller than just about anyone else's for the level of bass performance they get, it doesn't look big to me. I'd say it will probably turn out to be small for the kind of bass I would expect out of a Lab 9 based system. I'm interested in what it turns out to be like in reality, the only question I would have is if B&O has come in late with a sub/sat system after demand for these things has peaked, but I assume their marketing must have some feedback from the dealers about what people want. Certainly it's part and parcel of the desire for attractive, minimally visually invasive audio gear. Lord knows it would be nice to see one of these kinds of systems well executed, just about no one else does, the Bose stuff is execrable. And in the new market of people not using audio systems like receivers or CD anymore, a system that connects to their TVs or to other stuff is a good idea. Be that a regular TV, or an Air Port Express, or an Oppo player, or whatever.
StUrrock:Shame the BL14 hasn't got playmaker built in, missed opportunity there.
While that could be slick for some folks, if they did, everyone who didn't want to stream directly to it would be complaining about how B&O were ripping them off by making them buy something they didn't need! Jeez, the thing isn't even out yet and y'all are slagging it, and you don't even know officially what it looks like! Besides, if they did that STB couldn't sell a bracket to hang the PM off the back, and Sounds Heavenly couldn't sell cables to it!
And who wants that big a sub? Hmmmm...tough question, maybe people who actually want decent bass? B&O woofers and subs already are smaller than just about anyone else's for the level of bass performance they get, it doesn't look big to me. I'd say it will probably turn out to be small for the kind of bass I would expect out of a Lab 9 based system.
I'm interested in what it turns out to be like in reality, the only question I would have is if B&O has come in late with a sub/sat system after demand for these things has peaked, but I assume their marketing must have some feedback from the dealers about what people want. Certainly it's part and parcel of the desire for attractive, minimally visually invasive audio gear. Lord knows it would be nice to see one of these kinds of systems well executed, just about no one else does, the Bose stuff is execrable. And in the new market of people not using audio systems like receivers or CD anymore, a system that connects to their TVs or to other stuff is a good idea. Be that a regular TV, or an Air Port Express, or an Oppo player, or whatever.
Hi Jeff,
I don't think B&O consider the likes of me or STB when they design new products (which often turns out to be the very reason that their stores need our services!)
I've been busy working with the UK stores for the past week or so to put cabling options together for numerous different Beolab 14 setups, hence my late reply to the forum postings (I've also been required to stay out of any public discussions until after the official launch)
After extensive listening to Beolab 14 with a variety of different systems (both B&O and other TV/AVR combinations), I must say that I'm really impressed with the results. These are superb speakers which will integrate seamlessly with almost any AV system (even with a "normal" stand-alone non-B&O TV, even though B&O say this isn't possible on their website!)
If you have any questions about how to connect Beolab 14s in your system, please feel free to ask.
Kind regards, Steve.
Steve.
www.soundsheavenly.com
Founder of Sounds Heavenly Cables and Brand Ambassador for Bang & Olufsen
Sounds Heavenly are proud to sponsor BeoWorld!
Please check out my YouTube channel at https://youtube.com/soundsheavenlycables
Steve at Sounds Heavenly: After extensive listening to Beolab 14 with a variety of different systems (both B&O and other TV/AVR combinations), I must say that I'm really impressed with the results. These are superb speakers which will integrate seamlessly with almost any AV system (even with a "normal" stand-alone non-B&O TV, even though B&O say this isn't possible on their website!) If you have any questions about how to connect Beolab 14s in your system, please feel free to ask. Kind regards, Steve.
Would it be possible to use it only as a stereo 2+1 system for in iPad, without the need of an external amplifier?
Hi benoit,
Yes, I can provide a 3-way Splitter cable to allow the Beolab 14 front, rear, subwoofer and centre speakers to work directly from an iPad in "double stereo" format without needing an external amplifier.
Please email me with some more details of the cable lengths that you need and I will be pleased to advise further.
Kind regards, Steve
steve@soundsheavenly.co.uk
Hi Steve,
thanks for your comments on the BL14. Since you have heard different setups, you must know what these 'little beats' offer!
When you write "...speakers which will integrate seamlessly with almost any AV system (even with a "normal" stand-alone non-B&O TV..), you must also explain how this is done!
Most non...tv' nowadays have a digital output, only few have (stereo) analog out and most of these only the headphone out, not a line out.
Please give us your thoughts to this subject!
Please describe a couple of possible setups!
E.g. how to use the sub and the fronts/maybe even 'double fronts' as a 'pure' stereo setup with a Playmaker?
Can we expect some plug'n'play cabling from Sounds Heavenly?
Greetings Les Mis
Thank you Steve for the very quick answer!
I have to listen to the BL14 and If I decided for one I'll order the needed cable through your site.
It feels a bit strange that B&O is moving into the BOSE-format with small one way speakers and a big sub that has ams for the sub and satellites. It feels very much like a direct competitor to a BOSE LifeStyle system. Before this all B&O speakers was two or three way in a setup plus the sub. The BL14 does not have the lens feature either. I don't say it is a bad set, I just think it is a bit different from what we are used to on the technical side. I have noticed that people are starting to sell their beolabs (probably to get the BL14) and I wonder, is this the new B&O way? I think this should rather be in the BeoPlay-selection.