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Non B&O TV owners, help is at hand to improve your life :)

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StUrrock Posted: Fri, May 10 2013 4:59 PM

Non B&O TV? Cheesed off with rubbish sound?

You could go out and buy a fabulous BeoVision 11,

or you could.................

Get one of these-http://www.audiolab.co.uk/Manuals/8200AP%20Manual.PDF

Then wait until next week when you could add something really special and your living room will sing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Or you could just get a Beovision 11, and not have to re wire Jodrel Bank in your living room!

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chartz replied on Fri, May 10 2013 5:56 PM

In front of the B&O shop this afternoon... Stayed outside... 

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Lars replied on Fri, May 10 2013 8:37 PM

Sometimes that is the right choice ;-) 

 

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StUrrock:

where is your point, please?

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StUrrock replied on Fri, May 10 2013 9:35 PM
Millemissen:

where is your point, please?

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It will all become clear in the fullness of time..........

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Michael replied on Fri, May 10 2013 9:55 PM
StUrrock:

Non B&O TV? Cheesed off with rubbish sound?

You could go out and buy a fabulous BeoVision 11,

or you could.................

Get one of these- http://www.audiolab.co.uk/Manuals/8200AP%20Manual.PDF

Then wait until next week when you could add something really special and your living room will sing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean that the audiolab-ap in combination with beolab 14 would be neat? - instead of perhaps a BS3 or a tv with built in handling like the BV11?

Its not very much a surprise what will be revealed :)

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MartinW replied on Fri, May 10 2013 10:37 PM
StUrrock:

It will all become clear in the fullness of time..........

Will this be a product you will actually be positive about on this forum? Because that really would be a surprise!!
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StUrrock:
Millemissen:

where is your point, please?

Greetings Millemissen

It will all become clear in the fullness of time..........

Bullshit - all you need for connecting the BL14.1.5 to a non-B&O tv is the Audiolab 8200AP...

...which you don't need with the B&O tv, because it comes with its own built-in preamp/decoder/processor.

Who - on earth - would buy a non-B&O tv and the Audiolab 8200AP instead of buying a genuine Bang & Olufsen tv?

 

Is this how B&O-dealers are attempting to sell the BL 14.1.5 version of the new LS-set?

 

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StUrrock replied on Sat, May 11 2013 7:56 AM
Millemissen:

Bullshit - all you need for connecting the BL14.1.5 to a non-B&O tv is the Audiolab 8200AP...

That is entirely my point and the title of this entire thread.

@ Millemissen, and another thing before using rude words try reading the original post.

Don't do that again!!!! :(
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StUrrock replied on Sat, May 11 2013 8:01 AM
MartinW:

Will this be a product you will actually be positive about on this forum? Because that really would be a surprise!!

Very funny, I have made several positive comments if you look!

Some of the comments I make are feed back from clients and I post here in the attempt that should B&O ever read this forum they may take there feedback on board.

My simple wish is to make customers happy, if they are not satisfied with the performance of their purchase that makes me feel I and B&O have let them down.

Is it do wrong to try and please your clientele?
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elephant replied on Sat, May 11 2013 8:27 AM

StUrrock:
Is it do wrong to try and please your clientele?

absolutely not

it is the best way to do business

StUrrock:
Some of the comments I make are feed back from clients and I post here in the attempt that should B&O ever read this forum they may take there feedback on board.

perhaps you should separate the feedback ? 

"I think xxx"

"My client told me yyy"

"Most of my clients believe zzz"

StUrrock:
I have made several positive comments

It would be nice if some of the client comments were also positive

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StUrrock:
Millemissen:

Bullshit - all you need for connecting the BL14.1.5 to a non-B&O tv is the Audiolab 8200AP...

That is entirely my point and the title of this entire thread.

@ Millemissen, and another thing before using rude words try reading the original post.

Don't do that again!!!! :(

I am not quite sure what you are up to with your last comment?

What I have written has in some way upset you - why, I do not know?

But if you want to 'use rude words", feel free.

These "rude words" won't explain why somebody with a non-B&O tv should spend 1300£ (1700€) on a AV-processor (that in fact 'only' is an A-processor) and more than 3000€ (I suppose) for a set of powered speakers with the B&O-logo on it.

The BL14-set will be great - no doubt about it (still looking forward to hearing it), and the Audiolab has great values - I know that.

But people going the non-B&O route are buing an A/V-receiver with a set of passive speakers or maybe the Bose Soundbar, a Sonos Soundbar, or....

For quite a long time people have been asking for solutions connecting BeoLabs to a non-B&O tv in the 'HiFi4All/Peter Pan-threads" and have been presented with plenty of advice for doing so. Conecting a new set (the BL14) is really nothing new!

These solution all end up in a lot of cabling, triggering and mostly several remote controls (and some of the users afterwards even return to a pure Bang & Olufsen setup).

If non-B&O tv owners should get genuine help from Bang & Olufsen trying to improve the sound (and their lives) using a non-B&O tv, they need a BL14-set WITH A BUILD-IN AUDIOPROCESSOR - connected with one cable to their non-B&O tv.

Should be easy to make for the guys in Struer, but that would probably be the end of the Bang & Olufsen tv's - only a few enthusiasts would buy a BV then!

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If you still want to (without using "rude words", please) convince me that a BL14.1.5 set and the Audiolab will be a good combination for non-B&O owners, you must explain a least how these things are connected to another. Otherweise I am not able to judge if that solution might "improve the life" of a non-B&O tv-owner.

Have a good day Cool

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StUrrock replied on Sat, May 11 2013 12:05 PM

@ Millemissen, Sorry I may have misunderstood, was B*llsh*t directed at me or B&O?

You are right for non B&O TV owners the audio processor should have been incorporated into the BeoLab 14, having the extra audio processor is an not elegant solution. Which will limit the appeal of theese great sounding little beauties.

Yet again it is down to the dealers to find a work around for a product that has great potential, but its implimentation has not been 100% thought through.

The separate processor is not ideal you are right. However, without it B&O will sell none of the BeoLab 14.1.5 set ups which as we all know as a concept are nothing new, but have a much more achievable price point for a B&O surround solution with non B&O TVs.

No hard feelings maybe one day if you are in the UK, we could compare notes :)

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@StUrrock:

"@ Millemissen, Sorry I may have misunderstood, was B*llsh*t directed at me or B&O?"

That depends on whether the quotation is from you or from Bang & Olufsen (or both).

Thinking that a solution with the Audiolab and the BL 14.15 will apeal to costumers with a non.....tv is IMO not knowing the market!

And calling it a solution that could "improve the life" is just a marketing-thing.

That is why I wrote 'bullsxxt" 💩 - sorry if my choice of words upset you 😳

 

"No hard feelings maybe one day if you are in the UK, we could compare notes :)"

Same for you, if you one day are in Denmark - the country of Bang & Olufsen ;)

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I am still eager to learn how the Audiolab should be connected to the non...tv and the BL14,

If noone will tell, I guess I'll gave to wait 'till wednesday.

Greetings Millemissen

 

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MartinW replied on Sat, May 11 2013 1:26 PM
Hi Millemissen, the good news is that there is just one cable to connect a non B&O AV processor from the BL14 sub to the receiver - it looks like a serial connection at the sub end, and splits out into lots of connectors at the AV receiver end, which hopefully will go some way towards streamlining the process.

Not that the focus is necessarily on making this product for non B&O TV owners - far from it, but it does give us a much better solution for people looking to spend £2-3k adding a good surround sound system to their other brand TV. Its a market I feel we have been waiting to answer for a long time. Prior to this we only really had say a BeoSystem 3 with minimum three pairs of BeoLab 4's and a BeoLab 11 at four times the price of the BL14.5 and arguably inferior results.

I don't know of any other TV brand where the surround sound decoder is integrated into the TV, so I believe a BeoVision will always be the most simple and seamless option, but what we are hoping is that if a new customer buys BeoLab 14 even if they have no other B&O (yet), they will be so impressed by the product and the retailer that when they finally do upgrade their TV they will want to come and see what we can offer.

And it really really really does look great in the flesh! I haven't seen anything out there that looks anywhere near as desirable if you want lots of power and great sound from a small footprint 😊

(Its not spherical!)
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Thanks Martin for your explanation Smile

OK - one should never say no, but I am still not sure of the success.

If I am wrong, I'll be the first to point my finger at....me!

I have written it a couple of times allready - I am really looking forward to hearing AND seeing the set on wednesday.

We need some fresh air in the B&O BL-range!

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"(Its not spherical!)"

Maybe they look more like the speakers of the BeoSound 8/B&O Play A8 - more 'Dolly Partical' 👯

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Vienna replied on Sat, May 11 2013 2:39 PM

 

MartinW:
And it really really really does look great in the flesh! I haven't seen anything out there that looks
anywhere near as desirable if you want lots of power and great sound from a small footprint 😊 

(Its not spherical!)

Very true ..

@ Millemissen ... not the shape of a "single" Play A8 ... Smile

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Michael replied on Sat, May 11 2013 5:36 PM

I have a Yamaha RX-V3800 receiver for my living room TV and to that I have Beolabs connected. Works very well and it also has trigger outputs. It handles all my HDMI and external sources, just lika a BS3 would. So I also dont see the reason for the audiolab-unit really. 

However, lets just wait and see what is revealed. I understand that people that works with B&O installations have already seen the units. If you want to post something interesting - then post the pictures of them. I mean, if leaking something you can just as well leak everything :). 

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Vienna:

(Its not spherical!)

Very true ..

@ Millemissen ... not the shape of a "single" Play A8 ... Smile

"not a "single" Play A8..."

Could it be "two" A8's then?

It is getting more and more mysterious 👽

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Vienna replied on Sat, May 11 2013 6:38 PM

Millemissen:

It is getting more and more mysterious 👽

Smile Smile Smile Smile

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@Vienna:

Yes, I know that there are 4 or 5 depending on...

But the "two" could be a smaller and a bigger "A8"-shaped speaker in one???

How dare you tease us, you...

Greetings Millemissen

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symmes replied on Sat, May 11 2013 7:04 PM

sturrock wrote: "You are right for non B&O TV owners the audio processor should have been incorporated into the BeoLab 14, having the extra audio processor is an not elegant solution. Which will limit the appeal of theese great sounding little beauties."

If that product scenario is the case, forcing the choice of receiver or pre-amp would raise the ire of the same type folks who complain about B&O TVs. Sometimes you have to decide that trying to please everyone will result in pleasing no one.  

Because it has analog 5.1 outputs for SACD etc, maybe one could use an Oppo bluray as the preamp/processor and bridge HDMI for Cable TV via the HDMI input and the second HDMI output?  Might work.

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rednik replied on Sat, May 11 2013 7:30 PM

I really hope they aren't going to try and dictate which processor people use?  Surely that would be incredibly stupid, and annoy potential clients no end.

 

I am looking forward to this launch and more details.  How will these compare to something like http://www.kef.com/html/gb/showroom/home_theatre_speakers/KHT3000SE/fact_sheets/systems/kht3005se/index.html. Which (as I am sure the bl14 must?) just plugs into any amp/receiver 

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I am sure that 'they' aren't going to dictate anything - but the Audiolab would do a very good job in this combination.

The KEF's really are competitors, but it is a passive set (except for the sub). The BL14-set is an actice system (means each satelte has its dedicated amp in the sub-unit - which by the way is a good solution).

But  that really is the difficult point. With the KEF (and others) you have a broad range of receivers to choose from. With the BL14.1,5 you have few choices -  audio-processors/surround preamps are rare!

That is why B&O suggests that you use the Audiolab - it would do the job well, I am sure.

On the other hand: most people with non-B&O tv's would think just like you - and would prefer to have a broader range to choose from, or maybe even already have a receiver at home.

But B&O making a passive 5.1-set would be absurd and very non-B&O'ish.

That is why I wrote:

The BL14.1.4 will be perfect for a B&O-tv - and a BL14.1.5 would need a 5.1 audio processor built in...

...if it should "help to improve the life" (of a non-B&O tv-owner).

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rednik replied on Sat, May 11 2013 10:25 PM

Millemissen:

I am sure that 'they' aren't going to dictate anything - but the Audiolab would do a very good job in this combination.

The KEF's really are competitors, but it is a passive set (except for the sub). The BL14-set is an actice system (means each satelte has its dedicated amp in the sub-unit - which by the way is a good solution).

But  that really is the difficult point. With the KEF (and others) you have a broad range of receivers to choose from. With the BL14.1,5 you have few choices -  audio-processors/surround preamps are rare!

That is why B&O suggests that you use the Audiolab - it would do the job well, I am sure.

On the other hand: most people with non-B&O tv's would think just like you - and would prefer to have a broader range to choose from, or maybe even already have a receiver at home.

But B&O making a passive 5.1-set would be absurd and very non-B&O'ish.

That is why I wrote:

The BL14.1.4 will be perfect for a B&O-tv - and a BL14.1.5 would need a 5.1 audio processor built in...

...if it should "help to improve the life" (of a non-B&O tv-owner).

Greetings Millemissen

Thanks for the explanation.  So these won't work for all the people who have homes pre wired with normal speaker cable either?  I assume that being active they need some different sort of cable?

 

i understand that they like passive speakers, but they seem to be ruling out a lot of the potential market.

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Millemissen:

Vienna:

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@Vienna:

Yes, I know that there are 4 or 5 depending on...

But the "two" could be a smaller and a bigger "A8"-shaped speaker in one???

How dare you tease us, you...

Greetings Millemissen

LOL

At the risk of more GRRRRs from our BeoTabby I say keep teasing !!

I have finally received an Australian invitation (how come B&O Newcastle-on-Tyne gives me better service/attention !) and so we are planning to be there !

Any other Melbournians going ?

 

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DoubleU replied on Sun, May 12 2013 5:59 AM

Some tv's out there need more time to process video-signals, so bear in mind that if you're using different brands to process audio and video, lip-sync issues can occur. 

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The Audiolab offers no 'auto lip sync function'  - must be done manual...what a pity!

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MartinW replied on Sun, May 12 2013 9:28 AM
Millemissen:

" (Its not spherical!)"

Maybe they look more like the speakers of the BeoSound 8/B&O Play A8 - more 'Dolly Partical' 👯

Greetings Millemissen

Nope nothing like Dolly, or Madonna!
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elephant:

At the risk of more GRRRRs from our BeoTabby I say keep teasing !!

I have finally received an Australian invitation (how come B&O Newcastle-on-Tyne gives me better service/attention !) and so we are planning to be there !

Any other Melbournians going ?

May 29th - ?

Our launch in DK is at May 15th Stick out tongue

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MartinW replied on Sun, May 12 2013 9:31 AM
symmes:

Because it has analog 5.1 outputs for SACD etc, maybe one could use an Oppo bluray as the preamp/processor and bridge HDMI for Cable TV via the HDMI input and the second HDMI output? Might work.

Hi symmes, i have an oppo and will test this for you and post results 😊
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MartinW replied on Sun, May 12 2013 9:33 AM
rednik:

Thanks for the explanation. So these won't work for all the people who have homes pre wired with normal speaker cable either? I assume that being active they need some different sort of cable?

i understand that they like passive speakers, but they seem to be ruling out a lot of the potential market.

No its good news - regular speaker cable from the sub to the satellite is all that is required 😉
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MartinW:
symmes:

Because it has analog 5.1 outputs for SACD etc, maybe one could use an Oppo bluray as the preamp/processor and bridge HDMI for Cable TV via the HDMI input and the second HDMI output? Might work.

Hi symmes, i have an oppo and will test this for you and post results 😊

That - indeed - would be a nice combo.

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Vienna replied on Sun, May 12 2013 10:06 AM

elephant:

Millemissen:

Vienna:

Smile Smile Smile Smile

Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile


But the "two" could be a smaller and a bigger "A8"-shaped speaker in one???
How dare you tease us, you...


LOL
At the risk of more GRRRRs from our BeoTabby I say keep teasing !!


@elephant  LOL ... Dear friend, thx for posting this official announcement also containing some very subtle hints ...  

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