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Any news about the new beolabs

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Ryan replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 1:31 AM

jk1002:

People here seem to forget that you not just look but mostly listen to your speakers.

If we're being realistic, you can buy stereo systems that sound much better than B&O, for much less money, and are more flexible in how they operate and what's compatible - IF you're satisfied with big wooden boxes in the corners of your room. Or the trend in new homes is to see nothing at all and just build it into the wall / ceiling. For me the pleasure of B&O comes from a beautiful design, premium materials and the surprise part of movement, illumination etc.

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 2:08 AM

Regarding the height of the ALT, if ALT equipped speakers only provide the best sound at exactly the specific height of the ALT, why are 9s and 5s at different heights? Are the 9s for shorter people and the 5s for taller people? And what about the 7-4 when mounted on a Beovision 7?

 

I have never heard any complaints about the ALT on a 7-4 being too low. What about a system with 5s in front, 9s in the rear and a 7-4 as center? Three different heights of ALT. I have never heard any complaints about that? Or is there some reason that an ALT lower than the listener is acceptable but higher is not?

 

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Razlaw replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 2:20 AM

According the Moulton Labboratories web page, ALT has a vertical range of  30 degrees. Also, the B and O web page says the ALT reduces floor and ceiling reflections. It does not say it eliminates them.

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Trying to visualize this.  If I had a protractor I'd draw a line 15 degrees below a horizontal one at the ALT's height to see if the drawn line is above or below Mr. McCartney's ears.  And he seems to be seated closer to the speaker than he would be if actually listening, which would lessen the chance of the line being at or below his ears.   But from strictly trying to ballpark the angle visually, I'd say the line would be at or below ear level - meaning that it doesn't matter that the ALT is placed on top.

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Dennis replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 4:42 AM

David Lewis is probably turning in his grave...

BeoLab 8000 is IMO the most iconic product Bang & Olufsen have ever made. I already shook my head when I saw the BeoLab 8002 with that ugly little thing sticking out at the bottom of the fret, not to mention those hideous wall brackets they introduced... I hoped that was the worst it would get! But this time B&O have failed big time in trying to surpass themselves... 

/Dennis Confused

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Anyone can confirm the new Beolab 8003 is designed by the same designer as the playmaker?

 

If that's the case, I hope he's at least cheap! 

Too long to list.... 

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imac replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 9:02 AM

bayerische:

Anyone can confirm the new Beolab 8003 is designed by the same designer as the playmaker?

 

If that's the case, I hope he's at least cheap! 

I didn't realize that the playmaker was actually "designed"...Huh?

As for the BL 8003s, I am still in shock. Why try to redesign one of the best looking B&O speakers ever??? Can't they come up with a new design?

 

 

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PeterC replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 9:45 AM

When I was younger I remember after buying a middle-market car, looking at wood veneer kits. "Give your car a touch of luxury with these simulated walnut/oak veneers". The idea was you covered ever but of grey or black on the dashboard with this cheap veneer and, hey presto, a 'luxury car'! Given the small, not terribly well defined images of the 8003, that's the impression I get here: take a design classic, cover it in wood and put a bit of bling on top. 

Hey, though, when we see and hear them it might be - quite literally - an entirely different picture!

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Peter replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 9:51 AM

 

Hey Guys,

Yeah, I guess we need to see and hear them in the flesh, before making too drastic comments.
I think that wooden grill is kind of cool though..

My first impression is that I will keep my old BL8000's. IMHO the best looking speaker ever made. Period.

I thought the new gear was about to be introduced yesterday? Does anybody know about the release date?

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As we saw in this thread:

http://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/7746/68576.aspx#68576

'porn' is now allowed on BeoWorld.

Would be nice to have a peak at an undressed BL17 💃

Who will be the first to present a picture? 9 Lee?

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Peter replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 10:01 AM

30th October. I like the new bases and the extra thin spikes. The wood is growing on me!

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PhilLondon replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 10:08 AM

Peter:
The wood is growing on me!

This is a family site, peter.

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Puncher replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 10:52 AM

PhilLondon:

Peter:
The wood is growing on me!

This is a family site, peter.

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Gatex replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 10:56 AM

Peter:

The wood is growing on me!

yes its growing on me as well, im getting horny if I see those hooker heels pipe of the beolab8003

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Gatex:

yes its growing on me as well, im getting horny if I see those hooker heels pipe of the beolab8003

I've just read the last three posts, so I'll come back a bit later gents.........

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BeoGreg replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 1:15 PM
The beolab 17 (aka 8003) is a perfect franken speaker.

A thin beolab 8000 base, a massive wood body and a beolab 3 ALT top.

How could they make it worst ?

Hope for B & O that the sound is fabulous.
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I am suprised they called it an icon "refined". To me when you refine something, you remove things, you don't add details.

If they offer it without the wood grille, it might be OK though.

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I think the wood is actually an option not a standard fit.

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Puncher replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 1:56 PM

That certainly would suit just about everybody - if the wood is a given then they've slashed their sales at the stroke of a designers pencil!

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BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 2:09 PM

I repeat myself but the biggest mistake from Bang & Olufsen was to change an Icon.

The BeoLab 8000 was the ambassador of B&O - the best designed loudspeaker.

Everybody interested in design know this model.

For an example in the world of furniture, Jacob Jensen, Vitra, USM, Knoll, Cassina never change their Classical.

Hoping, the CEO Mantoni will recognise his mistake and will produce again the original.

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Absolutely, but I just have the impression he wants to leave his mark.

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Steph replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 2:25 PM

According to BeoUndies  :

« The speakers will be available in different wood stains to match your apartments...
The grilles are removable, so you can always customise them with a speaker grille frame covered with your acoustically transparent material of choice »

Not bad at all...

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Puncher replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 2:31 PM

Steph:

According to BeoUndies  :

« The speakers will be available in different wood stains to match your apartments...
The grilles are removable, so you can always customise them with a speaker grille frame covered with your acoustically transparent material of choice »

Not bad at all...

But it doesnt say complete non-wooded frets are available from B&O. Im not sure many will want to buy speakers and then discard the supplied frets in order to replace them with hand covered replacements!!!

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Gatex replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 2:43 PM

BeoBoy68:

I repeat myself but the biggest mistake from Bang & Olufsen was to change an Icon.

The BeoLab 8000 was the ambassador of B&O - the best designed loudspeaker.

Everybody interested in design know this model.

For an example in the world of furniture, Jacob Jensen, Vitra, USM, Knoll, Cassina never change their Classical.

Hoping, the CEO Mantoni will recognise his mistake and will produce again the original.

Yes, its also a historical move, never before bno did a redesign of something. and im sure if david lewis would be alive he would never have allowed a redesign of the beolab8000. Its like someone trying to correct the formula E=mc2.

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BeoBoy68:

Hoping, the CEO Mantoni will recognise his mistake and will produce again the original.

don't count on that.

He told me recently (at the general meeting 2013) that he had had the BL17 standing beside his BL800x for some time, and after a while he thought that the BL800x seemed a bit 'oldfashioned'.

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BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:08 PM

Millemissen Thanks for the information. 

I don't know personnally CEO Tue Mantoni.

I think, he is not the right person to manage Bang & Olufsen. 

Hope, next CEO will understand the spirit of Bang & Olufsen.

I have the bad feeling that my Beo 12 collection, will be my last

purchase of B&O. Since David Lewis is gone, I don't recognize

my favorite brand. What a shame ! 

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One quick question:

Do you recognize/judge the strenghts of Bang & Olufsen only by the design (of some of the spekers)?

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archie replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:23 PM

 

 

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I guess the woodpecker is for Peter (the moderator) Whistle

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BeoBoy68:

Since David Lewis is gone, I don't recognize my favorite brand. What a shame ! 

The same thing was said when David Lewis replaces Jacob Jensen... History repeats its self...

Let's just see where the future brings us

 

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BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:32 PM

Millemissen:

One quick question:

Do you recognize/judge the strenghts of Bang & Olufsen only by the design (of some of the spekers)?

MM

Since the 60's the credo of Bang & Olufsen was the design.

I am a happy owner of Beo 12 collection. I will keep them preciously. Smile

 

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Alright then.

In my humble opinion design is ONE of the many credos of Bang & Olufsen.

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BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:48 PM

 

Of course they are others Credo, quality of  sound, picture and crafmanship....

But the new young CEO have no excuse to destroy the Classical collection. 

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olvisab replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:49 PM

Design design, design...

If I had to judge b&o only trough his design, well the beovision and beolab 12 would be the last thing I would buy from b&o.

 

 

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BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 3:49 PM

 

Bang & Olufsen's portfolio should have 3 ranges:

The Classical, iconic products

The new Modern, with new Designers

The BeoPlay, fashionable

 

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BeoBoy68:

 

Of course they are others Credo, quality of  sound, picture and crafmanship....

But the new young CEO have no excuse to destroy the Classical collection. 

I would say that he have a really good reason and that is the fact that Beolab 8002 don't sell. He is trying to save a company not let it go down with it's classic product which doesn't sell.

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olvisab replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 4:08 PM

emilos:
He is trying to save a company not let it go down with it's classic product which doesn't sell.

+1 That's a FACT. Not fantasy !

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rednik replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 4:10 PM

BeoBoy68:

 

Bang & Olufsen's portfolio should have 3 ranges:

The Classical, iconic products

The new Modern, with new Designers

The BeoPlay, fashionable

 

If the classical,iconic products had still been attractive to customers in 2013 they would have still been selling in sufficient quantities to still be on sale.

 

They weren't so they aren't.

 

I wouldn't buy BeoLab 8000/6000/4000 now compared to current offerings from other manufacturers even with all the latest tech built in.  I think they look old fashioned and very 90s.  I guess the decline in sales figures suggests I'm not that unusual. 

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imac replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 4:32 PM

olvisab:

emilos:
He is trying to save a company not let it go down with it's classic product which doesn't sell.

+1 That's a FACT. Not fantasy !

 

But why then redesign a product that is not selling anymore? Why not design a new product?Huh?

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BeoBoy68 replied on Wed, Oct 16 2013 4:34 PM

olvisab:

Design design, design...

If I had to judge b&o only trough his design, well the beovision and beolab 12 would be the last thing I would buy from b&o.

 

 

 

It is just a question of taste.

My dealer told me that actually the BeoLab 12s are the best sale for loudspeakers.

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