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Søren Mexico: Steffen:The picture is better -but it still looks bend.. Steffen put on your glasses, I think you are only frustrated because you are not invited to Struer
Steffen:The picture is better -but it still looks bend..
Steffen put on your glasses, I think you are only frustrated because you are not invited to Struer
I am - but I can still see clearly (by the way - I wear contact lenses)
Can't you tell a curve from a straight line..?
Have a look at this one:
-and Yours:
-can you tell the difference...
Steffen: I am - but I can still see clearly (by the way - I wear contact lenses) Can't you tell a curve from a straight line..?
Oh sh1t, I see what you mean, I thought it was supposed to be bent that way, I was checking the right left line, or maybe you have an Axel and mine is org. ??
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
Søren Mexico: Steffen: I am - but I can still see clearly (by the way - I wear contact lenses) Can't you tell a curve from a straight line..? Oh sh1t, I see what you mean, I thought it was supposed to be bent that way, I was checking the right left line, or maybe you have an Axel and mine is org. ??
Nope -mine is original
Steffen:Nope -mine is original
Well I bought the TT for Dkr, 200.00 in Tørring DK, so if I have to repair with Axel I am still good. June 18 I will get it over here.
Good morning everyone,
I decided it was finally time to pair up my 1202 with the new BeoMaster 4000.
So, here is the 1202 getting ready for some quick tune-ups. Since the BM4000 only has din input, I have to solder on a new connector. The original cables are in terrible condition and short badly so they will be replaced. While inside, I will be cleaning up the contacts with a little contact cleaner.
Beo4 'til I die!
Can anyone identify if that black wire is original?
Also, is that open solder lug an appropriate place to attach a decent ground?
The black wire is not org., bridging silent switch ??, give me minit let me have a look on my pics
Here the "back" side
The black wire is a bridge to ground (chassis) from neutro (-) sound, Normaly its connected, outer shield of org cable to chassis ground, and L R wire shield to the upper black wire connection in your pick, L R wire shield goes to pin 2 in the 5 pin DIN
Thanks Søren, the picture helps. Mine is exactly that way.
I put mine back together to hear it and have revealed a functional left channel. However, there are a few issues still. The largest issue is a mechanical one, the main spindle vibrates/wobbles at a very low frequency and destroys the sound. Second is a very distorted output. I'm going to guess this problem is preamplifier related.
It goes without saying, I'm frustrated with this machine. Its a good thing I like this deck otherwise I would be walking down the street to pick up one of these...
Haffner's Second Theorem to Murphy's Law:
If you buy a new turntable because your old turntable stopped working, your old turntable will start working again on its own.
Haffner's First Law:
You can never have too much gear.
From "Ruthless People":
"If you can't afford it, f***ing finance it!"
Check here its amazing how much old grease and dirt you find when you take the deck apart, at least take of the spindle gear and get the flywheel out. The motor bearings are prone to be in for the same. Clean the spindle and motor bearings with alcohol and add this
Martin recommended this, also check your belt, it may be too tight, if not original.
Now use this oil on all mechanical moving parts, also the arm shaft, and give the deck some exercise, then adjust the speeds with a strobodisk.
My deck is looking very good, with no mechanical wear, but everything was very dry, specially motor bearings, the speed change mechanism and main spindle bearing, so clean and lubricate..
Rich: Haffner's First Law: You can never have too much gear.
When the house is full, use your garage as second sound room
Warning !Some contact cleaners will act together with the paxolin base material used for the switches.It soaks and penetrates the paxolin material, it can become increasingly conductive and, if in the mainsswitch, current will start to flow, the material will heat up and start smoking.I have seen this in a Beogram of the same family as this one, where contact cleaner was sprayed ontothe switch inside the plastic housing.Luckily, the owner noticed the smoke seeping out from under the dustcover, unplugged the Beogramand put it out in the garden where he hosed it down.It happened less than 48 hours after he treated the switch.I replaced the complete switch assy and the Beogram was saved but I don't dare to think what wouldhave happened, hadn't he been home.
I never use contact cleaner on mains switches. If a piece of paper drawn through the forced closed contactsdoesn't clear things up, take the switch apart and clean the discrete parts instead.
Martin
Dillen:I never use contact cleaner on mains switches. If a piece of paper drawn through the forced closed contactsdoesn't clear things up, take the switch apart and clean the discrete parts instead.
I use a little Deoxit on a paperstrip, pull it through the closed contacts, leave it for 5 min, Clean with alcohol on a paper strip until the paper comes out clean. On some contacts I have to repeat this 3-4 times
Wow, that's quite the story! And thank you, Martin.
I cleaned the contacts with a small piece of paper towel that had cleaner on it. That way I could apply it precisely. I'm sure, I am OK.
Besides, its unplugged and been shoved into the closet, out of sight.
Søren Mexico: Rich: Haffner's First Law: You can never have too much gear. When the house is full, use your garage as second sound room
What a coincidence - I was just out there rearranging some things. My S40s are back out there now. They sound so much better in the garage than any other place I've tried them, regardless of amplifier driving them. And they sound "bigger" than their physical size when they're out there.
And that frees up my second pair of M70s for a top secret project!
Evan: Wow, that's quite the story! And thank you, Martin. I cleaned the contacts with a small piece of paper towel that had cleaner on it. That way I could apply it precisely. I'm sure, I am OK. Besides, its unplugged and been shoved into the closet, out of sight.
What? The story is paused again?
Rich:What? The story is paused again?
Sorry Rich. I'm not sure why, but I have had a very short fuse with this machine. I just want to listen! I have put it away, not for good though, I just need to do schoolwork and catch up on racing team duties. This audio hobby is very, very distracting for me.
Evan: Rich:What? The story is paused again? Sorry Rich. I'm not sure why, but I have had a very short fuse with this machine. I just want to listen! I have put it away, not for good though, I just need to do schoolwork and catch up on racing team duties. This audio hobby is very, very distracting for me.
In 30-40 years you will get more time for it, but consider, your Beo will be older as well
Well, good luck when you get back to it. You and Soren have inspired me to head up to the attic and pull out a couple projects....
Evan: It goes without saying, I'm frustrated with this machine. Its a good thing I like this deck otherwise I would be walking down the street to pick up one of these...
You can't be serious... what an ugly TT
I'm glad there are still lots of Beograms -otherwise I would sell all my records...
Incredible that there has never been one company (besides B&O), that could make decent looking turntables...
Søren Mexico: Evan: Rich:What? The story is paused again? Sorry Rich. I'm not sure why, but I have had a very short fuse with this machine. I just want to listen! I have put it away, not for good though, I just need to do schoolwork and catch up on racing team duties. This audio hobby is very, very distracting for me. In 30-40 years you will get more time for it, but consider, your Beo will be older as well
In 30-40 years I hope to be repairing BeoLab 5's!
In two years or so I will be done with school and formula. Then it will be time to catch up on audio!
Rich: Evan: Rich:What? The story is paused again? Sorry Rich. I'm not sure why, but I have had a very short fuse with this machine. I just want to listen! I have put it away, not for good though, I just need to do schoolwork and catch up on racing team duties. This audio hobby is very, very distracting for me. Well, good luck when you get back to it. You and Soren have inspired me to head up to the attic and pull out a couple projects....
I'm glad I can provide some inspiration, I always try and come up with a new and ridiculous project to do each summer. This summer was carrying Mr. 4000 home from Germany. Now that school has started back up, I have to calm down on my audio obsession and hit the books.
However, forgetting audio is an impossible task for me, which is why I have already started next summer's big project!
Steffen: Evan: It goes without saying, I'm frustrated with this machine. Its a good thing I like this deck otherwise I would be walking down the street to pick up one of these... You can't be serious... what an ugly TT I'm glad there are still lots of Beograms -otherwise I would sell all my records... Incredible that there has never been one company (besides B&O), that could make decent looking turntables...
100% completely serious. One of the USA's most well regarded audio shops is only a 10 minute walk from my house, and this TT is in stock there right now. I think this is a brilliant TT, but I also have a fascination with aluminum. That is why I still care about my 1202. The 1202 is also quite rare and impressive - even by today's standards.
Evan: 100% completely serious. One of the USA's most well regarded audio shops is only a 10 minute walk from my house, and this TT is in stock there right now. I think this is a brilliant TT, but I also have a fascination with aluminum. That is why I still care about my 1202. The 1202 is also quite rare and impressive - even by today's standards.
I'm sure that this 'red devil' is a brilliant TT -but it IS ugly
But as you say -you have a fascination with aluminum. So -stay with the B&O. I hope you get the 1202 'up and running'...If not, you should be able to find a newer B&O, fully functonal (still lots of alu) - for the same price as the red TT. And just keep the 1202 for the looks
Steffen: Evan: 100% completely serious. One of the USA's most well regarded audio shops is only a 10 minute walk from my house, and this TT is in stock there right now. I think this is a brilliant TT, but I also have a fascination with aluminum. That is why I still care about my 1202. The 1202 is also quite rare and impressive - even by today's standards. I'm sure that this 'red devil' is a brilliant TT -but it IS ugly But as you say -you have a fascination with aluminum. So -stay with the B&O. I hope you get the 1202 'up and running'...If not, you should be able to find a newer B&O, fully functonal (still lots of alu) - for the same price as the red TT. And just keep the 1202 for the looks
Not that anyone asked, but I don't think the Pro-Jects are ugly (well, maybe the green one is). My problem would be cartridge choice. I know I'd end up with a half a dozen within a year.
hi guys, have followed this thread with interest, as indeed i follow most of the threads to get my knowledge base up, anyhow, i have thought long and hard as to whether or not i should reply, they say confession is good for the soul, so here go's
i have a green one.......there i said it, it won't happen again i promise
bidstonhall: hi guys, have followed this thread with interest, as indeed i follow most of the threads to get my knowledge base up, anyhow, i have thought long and hard as to whether or not i should reply, they say confession is good for the soul, so here go's i have a green one.......there i said it, it won't happen again i promise
I'm glad you spoke up! Be proud of your machine. The lime green color is very popular among audio components. The AKG Q701 being one of the first I've noticed. A friend of mine is ordering some lime green powder-coat for his receiver.
I like the green a LOT!
Evan: bidstonhall: hi guys, have followed this thread with interest, as indeed i follow most of the threads to get my knowledge base up, anyhow, i have thought long and hard as to whether or not i should reply, they say confession is good for the soul, so here go's i have a green one.......there i said it, it won't happen again i promise I'm glad you spoke up! Be proud of your machine. The lime green color is very popular among audio components. The AKG Q701 being one of the first I've noticed. A friend of mine is ordering some lime green powder-coat for his receiver. I like the green a LOT!
Perhaps my dislike of green is based on my Spartan hatred....
Of course, my aesthetic taste should always be considered questionable. Just look at the M70 fret in my avatar.
Rich: Evan: bidstonhall: hi guys, have followed this thread with interest, as indeed i follow most of the threads to get my knowledge base up, anyhow, i have thought long and hard as to whether or not i should reply, they say confession is good for the soul, so here go's i have a green one.......there i said it, it won't happen again i promise I'm glad you spoke up! Be proud of your machine. The lime green color is very popular among audio components. The AKG Q701 being one of the first I've noticed. A friend of mine is ordering some lime green powder-coat for his receiver. I like the green a LOT! Perhaps my dislike of green is based on my Spartan hatred....
At some point in our life we all make mistakes, its human, I once bought a Sony TT
I'm still a bit green when it comes to B and O but I'll get there
Evan: I like the green a LOT!
More than alu..?
Steffen: Evan: I like the green a LOT! More than alu..?
Hard to say, very, very close though!
But seriously, I am borderline obsessed with alu. Learning how to work with it here at school is where it all began. Lathing, milling, etc. My favorite material to work with, touch, design with, look at... You name it! Best material ever.
My latest creation is a set of feet for my giant Yamaha amplifier
The amp is also 100% alu structurally - brill.
Evan: Steffen: Evan: I like the green a LOT! More than alu..? Hard to say, very, very close though! But seriously, I am borderline obsessed with alu. Learning how to work with it here at school is where it all began. Lathing, milling, etc. My favorite material to work with, touch, design with, you name it! My latest creation is a set of feet for my giant Yamaha amplifier The amp is also 100% alu structurally - brill.
But seriously, I am borderline obsessed with alu. Learning how to work with it here at school is where it all began. Lathing, milling, etc. My favorite material to work with, touch, design with, you name it!
I like the aluminum look, but don't like to work with it, its like cutting in old socks, lifeless, copper, brass and steel are more to my like work vise.
BTW, shouldn't you brake the lover (stand) edge about 1x1 Mm. its very easy to get nicks in the sharp edge, if its broken less so.
Søren Mexico: Evan: Steffen: Evan: I like the green a LOT! More than alu..? Hard to say, very, very close though! But seriously, I am borderline obsessed with alu. Learning how to work with it here at school is where it all began. Lathing, milling, etc. My favorite material to work with, touch, design with, you name it! My latest creation is a set of feet for my giant Yamaha amplifier The amp is also 100% alu structurally - brill. I like the aluminum look, but don't like to work with it, its like cutting in old socks, lifeless, copper, brass and steel are more to my like work vise. BTW, shouldn't you brake the lover (stand) edge about 1x1 Mm. its very easy to get nicks in the sharp edge, if its broken less so.
Not breaking the edge is a risk I'm willing to take. I did it for the sake of looks and with the plans of adding some sort of rubber or felt pads to the bottom. Since the amp is sitting still and will be unused for the foreseeable future, I'm not planning on following up on this.
Evan:Not breaking the edge is a risk I'm willing to take. I did it for the sake of looks and with the plans of adding some sort of rubber or felt pads to the bottom. Since the amp is sitting still and will be unused for the foreseeable future, I'm not planning on following up on this.
I understand, good job BTW, nice finish
Søren Mexico: Evan:Not breaking the edge is a risk I'm willing to take. I did it for the sake of looks and with the plans of adding some sort of rubber or felt pads to the bottom. Since the amp is sitting still and will be unused for the foreseeable future, I'm not planning on following up on this. I understand, good job BTW, nice finish
Thanks Søren, I owe a lot of the credit to the good ole' auto-feed After getting the 'machine' finish I wanted, I polished them and bolted them on. The project started with a single 3" diameter rod 1 foot long.