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Different people, different tastes..I like the black version much more than the white one!
The features are exactly what I was expecting from B&O years ago, and also one of the reasons why I shifted to a Loewe TV (USB socket, Ethernet, multiple HDMI, auto updates & PUC configuration over Internet, and even wifi 802N!), however the screen size is now too small for me.
I think B&O is really going in the right direction in terms of features (this is after all the first TV with the new Video 1 engine!), as for the design...well, I like the black version, not the other one!
The only thing that REALLY surprised me is that the TV offers only Dolby Digital, but no DTS 5.1 ..???
I've just read the user guide, there's no mention yet about which audio + video formats can be played via DLNA or USB input (ALAC? WMA lossless?FLAC? MKV or VOB video files?)
Christophe : I've just read the user guide, there's no mention yet about which audio + video formats can be played via DLNA or USB input (ALAC? WMA lossless?FLAC? MKV or VOB video files?)
See: http://www.bang-olufsen.com/UserFiles/File/ug/BeoPlayV1/Supported_formats.pdf
Not too bad actually!
They have also published a document with a lot of info about all the sound possibilities. It's clear that this engine are going to be used in some high-end Beovisions (Beosystem 4?) as 7.1 is mentioned several times, even tough the V1 only supports 5.1.
See it here: http://www.bang-olufsen.com/UserFiles/File/ug/BeoPlayV1/Technical_Sound_Guide.pdf
John: I'm truly excited by this TV, and if it fulfils the promise re the photos and specs, and 'sensible' pricing, I think it will be the TV that will convince me to finally scratch the B&O itch that has been nagging me for ages, by buying one! I have three queries I hope Steve at Sounds Heavenly may be able to answer, or others who may be more knowledegable than I about the B&O scheme of things. Will it have a digital HD TV tuner suitable for the Australian market? Is the remote control still made of zinc, or have they cheapened it by making it out of plastic? Most importantly, How do I get to play DTS-HD master audio Blurays re the audio decoding? - the specs for the surround sound module only mention Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 2.0. The specs also state that HDMI is used for video, and SPDIF for audio - but SPDIF does not have the bandwidth required for Dolby True HD or DTS HD master audio - these are usually output over HDMI from a suitable player. I really want this B&O TV to work for me with my love for AV/movies etc. I hope Steve or somebody with technical knowledge about the B&O 'way' could help answer these concerns..if they can be answered positively, I think one of these sets is going to be mine! Best Regards, and thanks John...
I'm truly excited by this TV, and if it fulfils the promise re the photos and specs, and 'sensible' pricing, I think it will be the TV that will convince me to finally scratch the B&O itch that has been nagging me for ages, by buying one!
I have three queries I hope Steve at Sounds Heavenly may be able to answer, or others who may be more knowledegable than I about the B&O scheme of things.
Will it have a digital HD TV tuner suitable for the Australian market?
Is the remote control still made of zinc, or have they cheapened it by making it out of plastic?
Most importantly, How do I get to play DTS-HD master audio Blurays re the audio decoding? - the specs for the surround sound module only mention Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 2.0. The specs also state that HDMI is used for video, and SPDIF for audio - but SPDIF does not have the bandwidth required for Dolby True HD or DTS HD master audio - these are usually output over HDMI from a suitable player.
I really want this B&O TV to work for me with my love for AV/movies etc.
I hope Steve or somebody with technical knowledge about the B&O 'way' could help answer these concerns..if they can be answered positively, I think one of these sets is going to be mine!
Best Regards, and thanks
John...
Hi John,
I'm sure that B&O will include provision for an Australian HD digital tuner, as the TV has two common interface slots to make regional tuners easy to fit. Otherwise, the ability update the STB software over the internet means that you can use a locally-sourced external HD box and control it from the Beo4 that is included with the V1.
The Beo4 is the standard, high quality (joystick version) Beo4, only the product name has been changed. Hence, this can still control all compatible B&O audio and video products back to around 1988, including LC1, LC2, Rako and Lutron lighting. The new Beo4 with the joystick is needed to set up the V1, but once it is working, you can control it from any Beo4, or from a Beolink 1000, 5000, Beotime or A9 keyring, as with any other B&O product.
The audio compatibility of the V1 is also upgradeable online, but even if you want to listen a Bluray disc in an audio format that the TV won't support, there is no need to worry. Simply change the audio output of your Bluray player from "Bitstream" to "Linear PCM" to make the player decode the audio format internally, instead of sending the raw digital bitstream to the TV to decode. The full, decoded surround sound will then be output to the TV via HDMI without the TV needing to interpret the digital audio bitstream.
I use this approach on my Beovision 8 with a Sony PS3 as the Bluray source (controlled from Beo4 via an RE-BL IR to bluetooth converter). As the PS3 gets regular online software updates from Sony, I have this set to "Linear PCM" to ensure that the PS3 decodes the digital audio internally, preventing any need to keep the TV software up to date.
Hope this helps, if you need any more info please feelf ree to ask!
Steve.
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Hi BeoNoit,
I heard the 32" and there was certainly some decent bass there!!! As I mentioned, I was really impressed! For the price, it's pretty flawless (B&O Pricing wise ;)
Chris Townsend: If there is a vertical table stand, what will fill the ugly gaps along the top and bottom where the clothes airer slotted in? Still trying to post a pic!!!
If there is a vertical table stand, what will fill the ugly gaps along the top and bottom where the clothes airer slotted in? Still trying to post a pic!!!
I wondered that, too. There's no mention of this vertical stand on the BeoPlay website.
can I easily integrate my beolab 8000 and beocenter 2 with the TV? Desperately looking for a replacement for my old beovision 6...
theroller: can I easily integrate my beolab 8000 and beocenter 2 with the TV? Desperately looking for a replacement for my old beovision 6...
The Beolab 8000 yes, but not the Beocenter 2. It isn't a TV for people who already own B&O, as it doesn't integrate/ink with the existing products, except speakers. It is aimed at new customers.
A small BV10 is what you're after.
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
Was already looking at the BV10. But I really like the new features of the V1... So there is no way to watch DVD's from the beocenter 2 on the V1? The whole set-up is in one room.
Just back from my dealer. They have four variations of the V1 on display. Initial impressions after seeing a couple of demos..
As always with B&O kit, they look far better in real-life. Photos don't do the finish justice. Very well made.
Prefer the white version over the black model. Sadly the dealer didn't have any coloured panels to sit under the speaker fret. He doesn't know when these are due in. Shame. Would have been good to see a colour under the fret.
Picture quality was better than I expected. Arguably as good as my BV10-46! Certainly very decent.
Sound quality was also better than I had expected. Only heard the 32" model, but it's certainly decent. Up there with my BC6, for sure.
The integrated Apple TV works very nicely. Can be controlled via the Beo6. It also picks up on the Beomaster 5 (or other NAS drives), enabling you to browse your media through the TV. I must admit, it does this far better than my much more expensive BV10! Slightly jealous that a £1999 TV handles media better than my £8000 TV :)
Only disappointment for me is this touted "vertical stand" that doesn't exist. Dealer confirmed that the only stands are the ones displayed on the B&O Play website. The floor stand is a bit odd. Was impressed with the wall bracket though. Could see the 32" on the movable wall bracket in a kitchen.
Overall, they are good and are attracting interest. Never seen my local dealer so busy. Unfortunately full of the usual audience (45 upwards), but still good to see it busy.
Reading through the specification,on B & O's website,it quotes the availability of a 10 point display calibration for colour calibration.
Is this in the user,or service,menu?
Does this mean the TV can be ISF calibrated?
TerryM:0 point display calibration for colour calibration.Is this in the user,or service,menu?
PhilLondon: TerryM: 0 point display calibration for colour calibration. Is this in the user,or service,menu? It is done in the factory before it is sent to you.
TerryM: 0 point display calibration for colour calibration. Is this in the user,or service,menu?
0 point display calibration for colour calibration.
It is done in the factory before it is sent to you.
Thanks.
I don't recall seeing it quoted for their current range of TVs,hence my hope that B & O might have finally succumbed to providing a user calibration facility which is found more,and more,on mainstream TVs.
And a video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8CfUi7Pm6s&feature=related
Regards
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Thanks for the video link, much appreciated. I'll not comment on what I think of the set itself, but having to crouch down on the floor to demonstrate it, looks ridiculous. Also, who on earth would position it in such a way in their lounge so that viewing it from a chair would require looking downwards all the time?
Silly!
kokomo: Thanks for the video link, much appreciated. I'll not comment on what I think of the set itself, but having to crouch down on the floor to demonstrate it, looks ridiculous. Also, who on earth would position it in such a way in their lounge so that viewing it from a chair would require looking downwards all the time?
That was the only thing that confused me when I saw the TV at my dealers. However, they've got around this by placing it on a TV unit and it looked decent. You don't have to have the TV on the floor! I think a dealer would be daft to demonstrate a V1 from the floor (well, like in that video...!).
I've just had another look at it and it's for me - the 32" in white! AWESOME to see that it has the electronic curtains!
Being young, I still feel that the B&O showrooms feel very very middle aged and boring. I think it's that damn grey carpet - compared to the bright inviting Apple stores, the B&O showrooms feel like somewhere that your Father or Grandfather would go to. Kind of feels a bit 1990's!
kokomo:Also, who on earth would position it in such a way in their lounge so that viewing it from a chair would require looking downwards all the time?
Paul W: Being young, I still feel that the B&O showrooms feel very very middle aged and boring. I think it's that damn grey carpet - compared to the bright inviting Apple stores, the B&O showrooms feel like somewhere that your Father or Grandfather would go to. Kind of feels a bit 1990's!
Yeah, I agree. They've got to do something about that. I mean, why have a B&O Play catalogue which is designed (like the B&O Play website) in a very different, fresh and modern style, then simply plonk the new B&O Play products in the same, old, dated, aging retail stores?
IMHO B&O would be better splitting retail stores in half - new fresh and modern look in the entrance, pushing the traditional products to the back of the store. They might look more compelling too for the younger customer. They don't have to walk past BL5s, BV7-55's and other products costing 6 months of their yearly wage, simply to view a V1.
V1 hands-on from FlatPlanels HD:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1336045432
"The speakers are obviously inferior to B&O’s BeoLab speakers but the speakers are surprisingly good for a TV this thin. The speakers can easily deliver background music for a small party."
Can't wait for the review from these guys
I wonder why they have changed the picture temperture color to 6500K.
B&O always had there own settings.
has anybody measured the height of the TV (32/40") on the Floorstand?
theroller: has anybody measured the height of the TV (32/40") on the Floorstand?
32": 78,1 cm // 30.7"
40": 96,2 cm // 37.9"
_BeoSound Essence / _BeoLab 3 + BeoLab 2 / _BeoVision 6-26" MKII (HDMI version) / _Form 2
I know it is to soon but are there plans to release a 46 inch version??
xegoon: theroller: has anybody measured the height of the TV (32/40") on the Floorstand? 32": 78,1 cm // 30.7" 40": 96,2 cm // 37.9"
Thank you
koning: I know it is to soon...
I know it is to soon...
Didn't you answer your own question? :)
Too soon. I guess B&O will listen to feedback and analyse the sales of the V1. I guess they won't want it to impact on BV10-46 sales. Mind you, I do think the BV10-40 now looks incredibly expensive in comparison to the V1-40. Arguably the V1-40 has more media functionality than the BV10-40 and, frankly, the average person on the street will prefer the media functionality over masterlink.
moxxey: koning: I know it is to soon... Didn't you answer your own question? :) Too soon. I guess B&O will listen to feedback and analyse the sales of the V1. I guess they won't want it to impact on BV10-46 sales. Mind you, I do think the BV10-40 now looks incredibly expensive in comparison to the V1-40. Arguably the V1-40 has more media functionality than the BV10-40 and, frankly, the average person on the street will prefer the media functionality over masterlink.
I fully agree here, I know several who bought the BV10 and they dont use the Masterlink. I would also say that the BV10 should be capable of the same as V1. Is there a planned BV10 update? But I still think that the BV10 has a better design.
It is going to be interesting to see the sales of the BV10 now.
In my kitchen and bedroom I have a BV8-32 (white) connected with masterlink, but I never use this. I have a Tvix mediaplayer and DVB-C boxes for each of my TV's when I need to watch TV, rent or watch movies, I did not want to use the "bad" masterlink signal for this. In other words, the V1 would have been just great for me instead of the BV8's.
I have not seen the V1 in real yet, I dont dare, scared of being tempted by it when I see it live :-)
Raeuber:I guess the new mainbord of V1 will come into all Beovisions step by step in the future. Then we have all these features of V1 AND the outstanding design of Beovisions.
The "outstanding" design wouldn't justify the markup between a V1-40 and BV10-40, sadly. A £2000 premium, perhaps, but not the margin it is now.
Looking at the new B&O Play catalogue, I see B&O are cheekily promoting the BV10's audio as so excellent it could replace your Hi-Fi. Pardon? Sure it's decent, better than the V1's audio, but we all know it's rather flat. I'm surprised B&O claim it's so good. I fear they are struggling to justify the BV10-40 price tag.
Gotta admit though, the BV10 is the most beautiful piece of design that i've ever come across - it's just timeless elegance! I love the 32" version too. It's just a shame that I really can't afford one at today's prices maybe the 32" at £3500 etc but... it's awesome especially on the spikes - i love it
Whilst i'm loving the V1 and I really do - i've still got the BV10 in the back of my mind - DAMN!!!
Paul W: Gotta admit though, the BV10 is the most beautiful piece of design that i've ever come across - it's just timeless elegance! I love the 32" version too. It's just a shame that I really can't afford one at today's prices maybe the 32" at £3500 etc but... it's awesome especially on the spikes - i love it Whilst i'm loving the V1 and I really do - i've still got the BV10 in the back of my mind - DAMN!!!
Do let us know when you actually buy one!
Ban boring signatures!
Hmmmm there is this problem now. I love the bv10, however the features and price of this compared to the V1 make it just too ridiculous to purchase.
What needs to happen is the new chassis into the damn thing and I'm not even going to go there re the price of the BV10.
I'll no doubt have to get a V1 anyway, and have it shipped from the UK, as the price here will be just stupid!
Hi. I have tried to post this a few times and it was failing last night, so let me try again ;-)
I think the V1 is a lovely looking set, and especially in white. I contacted my dealer here in Richmond, and he advised that they are not coming to Australia until mid - June :-(
I'm most interested in the connections panel at the back. Does anyone by chance have any photos of the way the inputs are laid out?
Hi Paul, the stores may be looking a bit dated at the moment, but there are a number of dealers which are changing their appearance - I believe our Collins Street store has been recently refurbished. But afterall we are going in to the shop to see the product and how we can best use it, not the carpet ;-) And besides, don't apple stores have grey flooring too? (tiles) lol. But back on to the TV, Paul, what do you think the V1 in white next to a BS8 would look like in the same room?
Thanks (in advance of seeing the product myself in June).
Cheers
MH.
Beolab 28s Beolab 9s Beolab 12-3s Beolab 1s Beolab 6000s 2 pairs Beolab 4000s Beovision 7-55 Beovision 10-40 Beoplay V1 32 inch Beovision Avant 32 inch Beosound 1 (CD player) Beosound 3000 Beosound 5 Core Essence MKII Beoplay M5
Chris Townsend:Hence the complimentary Beolab 11 for current Beovision 10 purchases. Makes the 10 slightly better value for money looking at it together as a unit. Slightly.
That reminds me. I should connect my BL11 to my BV10 and report back on the difference. Been meaning to do that for a while now (it's currently connected to the BL3s in another room).
Paul W: ...it's awesome especially on the spikes - i love it
...it's awesome especially on the spikes - i love it
Not on wooden floors it isn't. Mine is sinking in to the floor :)
One note on the V1. It ships in a box which, in theory, you can walk out of the store with yourself. Don't know how practical it is to walk out the store with a V1-40 in one hand, but the option is there.
Steve at Sounds Heavenly: John: I'm truly excited by this TV, and if it fulfils the promise re the photos and specs, and 'sensible' pricing, I think it will be the TV that will convince me to finally scratch the B&O itch that has been nagging me for ages, by buying one! I have three queries I hope Steve at Sounds Heavenly may be able to answer, or others who may be more knowledegable than I about the B&O scheme of things. Will it have a digital HD TV tuner suitable for the Australian market? Is the remote control still made of zinc, or have they cheapened it by making it out of plastic? Most importantly, How do I get to play DTS-HD master audio Blurays re the audio decoding? - the specs for the surround sound module only mention Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 2.0. The specs also state that HDMI is used for video, and SPDIF for audio - but SPDIF does not have the bandwidth required for Dolby True HD or DTS HD master audio - these are usually output over HDMI from a suitable player. I really want this B&O TV to work for me with my love for AV/movies etc. I hope Steve or somebody with technical knowledge about the B&O 'way' could help answer these concerns..if they can be answered positively, I think one of these sets is going to be mine! Best Regards, and thanks John... Hi John, I'm sure that B&O will include provision for an Australian HD digital tuner, as the TV has two common interface slots to make regional tuners easy to fit. Otherwise, the ability update the STB software over the internet means that you can use a locally-sourced external HD box and control it from the Beo4 that is included with the V1. The Beo4 is the standard, high quality (joystick version) Beo4, only the product name has been changed. Hence, this can still control all compatible B&O audio and video products back to around 1988, including LC1, LC2, Rako and Lutron lighting. The new Beo4 with the joystick is needed to set up the V1, but once it is working, you can control it from any Beo4, or from a Beolink 1000, 5000, Beotime or A9 keyring, as with any other B&O product. The audio compatibility of the V1 is also upgradeable online, but even if you want to listen a Bluray disc in an audio format that the TV won't support, there is no need to worry. Simply change the audio output of your Bluray player from "Bitstream" to "Linear PCM" to make the player decode the audio format internally, instead of sending the raw digital bitstream to the TV to decode. The full, decoded surround sound will then be output to the TV via HDMI without the TV needing to interpret the digital audio bitstream. I use this approach on my Beovision 8 with a Sony PS3 as the Bluray source (controlled from Beo4 via an RE-BL IR to bluetooth converter). As the PS3 gets regular online software updates from Sony, I have this set to "Linear PCM" to ensure that the PS3 decodes the digital audio internally, preventing any need to keep the TV software up to date. Hope this helps, if you need any more info please feelf ree to ask! Steve.
Thank you so much for that information. It's really helpful, given that I'm really excited about the TV, and it appears from Elephants comments that we won't be seeing it here in Australia until mid June, so I don't want to get my hopes up, only to find myself disappointed when it finally makes it here re being suitable for my purposes (AV usage).
I've been very coy about potential purchase of a B&O TV, because whilst I love the style, it is style and materials for which one is paying a large premium; unfortunately the technology within, given the current rate of technical advance, is changing rapidly, and the days when you could buy an expensive TV and have it more or less still giving out a state of the art picture quality after say, 7-8 years are gone. In the CRT days, definitely, but not with LCD/Plasma and with OLED/Crystal LED TV's more or less around the corner, to say nothing of 4k.
So, this TV strikes me, depending upon Australian pricing, to be an exciting blend of picture performance, style, quality remote, connectivity, bang up to date as regards the technology in use, AND value for money re the style, performance and expected lifespan, before being outmoded by forthcoming developments such as OLED. Certainly one will not be investing in an ultra expensive TV, which will be rapidly dated from a technology POV; on the other hand as others have commented, it is probably not as stylish as a Beovision 10-46, but then it doesn't cost as much either.
As such, from a head and heart POV, as I say, I find this TV very exciting.
Some have commented that the(?) Apple TV will blow it out of the water. However, I doubt that an Apple TV will have an onboard surround sound processor/ decoder, let alone a speaker system that is active and can double as a centre channel in an AV setup. And I say 'the', because all thoughts about an Apple TV at this point in time are conjecture, and nothing more.
Re Bluray; my Sony Bluray player allows me to switch from Auto to PCM for the audio output over HDMI, which I assume would do as you mention.
Certainly the bluray dems I've had at B&O stores with other B&O TV's have used Sony PS3's and used in the method that you describe to the best of my knowledge. Would decompressing/decoding/down-mixing the native raw DTS HD Master audio bitstream to PCM in the player, to output over HDMI in lieu of the native DTS HD master audio bitstream, likely have any demerits re loss of quality? I would think likely not, but then the remaining remnants of a recovering audiophile within me tends to worry about points like that...lol..
Many thanks for your most helpful comments
Best Regards
John....
John: ...before being outmoded by forthcoming developments such as OLED.
...before being outmoded by forthcoming developments such as OLED.
I'm seriously surprised people are worrying about OLED in May 2012. Mass-market OLED TVs are some way off yet. Until they become mass market, B&O won't implement the panels. A B&O OLED TV is years away and certainly will be a **lot** more expensive than a V1. If you're considering a V1, and are debating the cost-effectiveness of a V1, OLED TVs won't be for you.
Technical advances are always going to happen, OLED or not. However, plasma aside, LCD picture quality isn't improving as rapidly as it did a few years ago. There's not a great deal of difference between the picture quality on my BV10-46 compared to the much cheaper V1-40, for example. If you're going to buy now, you'll still be happily using your TV in 2-3 years. Plus you can always trade it in. Trying doing that with a top-of-the-range Samsung in a couple of years. You'll be lucky to get £200 for it.
Does anyone know if there is any time shifting or USB recording function?