ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
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BeoGreg:So I just had a look at the Avant and played with the remote. I like : stand, speaker moving, new design (arrow form for the sides of tv). I dislike : UHD demo no interest at all not better than full hd from what I saw, sound not up to the tech specs, overall design still too "ordinary" for tv (black frame), no protection for the quick sockets on the back, no mouse on remote. 9.000 € on motorised stand confirmed. Still far too much to attract the crowd.
I like : stand, speaker moving, new design (arrow form for the sides of tv).
I dislike : UHD demo no interest at all not better than full hd from what I saw, sound not up to the tech specs, overall design still too "ordinary" for tv (black frame), no protection for the quick sockets on the back, no mouse on remote.
9.000 € on motorised stand confirmed. Still far too much to attract the crowd.
You dislike UHD because you can't tell its better than full hd? What do you mean with sound not up to the tech specs? I like that the easy access ports are always visible on the Avant from the top on the back. BV11 has a flimsy door that don't look very good. You can have a stick in the usb-port on the Avant without the TV looking strange from the back, the BV11 would need to have that flimsy door open. Too me this is a good design change. By the way, mouse on the remote? I have that on my current samsung, it´s horrible!
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Michael:I dislike : UHD demo
The UHD demo I saw was rubbish. The video was far too compressed and had some heavy colour banding.
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mibook84:You dislike UHD because you can't tell its better than full hd? What do you mean with sound not up to the tech specs? I like that the easy access ports are always visible on the Avant from the top on the back. BV11 has a flimsy door that don't look very good. You can have a stick in the usb-port on the Avant without the TV looking strange from the back, the BV11 would need to have that flimsy door open. Too me this is a good design change. By the way, mouse on the remote? I have that on my current samsung, it´s horrible!
BeoGreg:The tech specs of the speakers are impressive on paper (nearly 500 watts with 8 speakers) but far less in reality. Haven't heard an improvement from my BV11 ("only" 192 watts and 6 speakers). I like my flimsy door. Neat design (invisible) when closed, use it everyday for a hdd (put it in, watch serie, put it out untill next day). No door, a lot of dust on sockets ! I have a mouse on my beo4 and I like it a lot (or whatever you call it), and that mouse is missing on Beoremote one.
Haven't heard an improvement from my BV11 ("only" 192 watts and 6 speakers).
I like my flimsy door. Neat design (invisible) when closed, use it everyday for a hdd (put it in, watch serie, put it out untill next day).
No door, a lot of dust on sockets !
I have a mouse on my beo4 and I like it a lot (or whatever you call it), and that mouse is missing on Beoremote one.
I thought the speakers sounded great and I think that I read that a few others said they sounded better than BV11 also. But I think it is hard to say from an in store demo. Since it has a real center speaker you get true center sound without muffled sound for speech etc. That is a thing BV11 can not do.
The flimsy door, yes invisible when closed but not when in use, and a sub-standard quality for B&O. May I ask why you don't keep your series on a network drive instead? I don't think dust will be a serious problem but I guess someone (STB Brackets look here!!) will make a rubber cover that hides them from plain sight.
PhilLondon:The UHD demo I saw was rubbish. The video was far too compressed and had some heavy colour banding.
mibook84:May I ask why you don't keep your series on a network drive instead?
BeoGreg:I have a mouse on my beo4 and I like it a lot (or whatever you call it), and that mouse is missing on Beoremote one.
wtlc2zpx:The whole pad between the colour buttons acts as the joystick/mouse now. The play, pause, Channel +/- FF./REW have separate buttons.
I am - probably - going to miss the joystick on the One.
Time will tell!
But - really - I don't see the need to make these 'ordinary' play, pause +/- FF./REW buttons.
Why???
The could have keept the 'extra-ordinary' layout of the Beo4 - even with the changes and the much improved functions of the new.
Probably the construction with the joystick was too complicated (expensive).
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Raeuber:You can't record channels from the Avant only on a harddisk connected to USB, not on a network drive. And also you can't copy the recordings from the harddisk to a network drive. The harddisk is paired with the Avant. Regards Räuber
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Räuber
Hello Räuber, I am fully aware of this but I asked him why he did not have a network drive for his BV11, since he used it for watching series. No recording capability over usb on the BV11 (yet at least).
Millemissen: I am - probably - going to miss the joystick on the One. Time will tell! But - really - I don't see the need to make these 'ordinary' play, pause +/- FF./REW buttons. Why??? The could have keept the 'extra-ordinary' layout of the Beo4 - even with the changes and the improved functions of the new. Probably the construction with the joystick was too complicated (expensive). MM
The could have keept the 'extra-ordinary' layout of the Beo4 - even with the changes and the improved functions of the new.
I felt that the joystick felt fragile on my beo4 and I have heard that it came of on some units. I don't like the feeling on my thumb after using it for a while either. It is good in some ways but not all. If it can be avoided in a good way thats a good thing :).
Millemissen:Why???
PhilLondon: Shame B&O has to adapt to the "standard".
Shame B&O has to adapt to the "standard".
B&O not adapting to the standard is one component (of many) of why the company may have lost customers in the recent past. Not adapting to the standard when it comes to design is one thing, but when usability and technology are concerned, they have to have their eyes open and playing well with others is something which any company that wants success needs to do.
I understand you're speaking specifically about the thumb joystick in your post, but that small step to adapt was likely a huge decision on the part of B&O -- and I believe a wise one.
Raeuber:Not a joystick like Beo4 with navigation button, but only a GO-button like Beo4 without navigation button!
There are obvious reasons to make the changes - but in my view it has become too 'adaptet'.
Probably they are afraid that the future chinese costumers won't understand 'Stop' and 'Play' 🇨🇳
mibook84: The flimsy door, yes invisible when closed but not when in use, and a sub-standard quality for B&O. May I ask why you don't keep your series on a network drive instead?
1: Sure, if you have the Avant, you will hardly need the Essence.
If you prefer and use Spotify Connect a lot, you will depend on the Essece, though.
You can stream music, video and pictures directly to the Avant using DLNA.
The Avant acts as a renderer. If you 'throw' something at it from a DLNA control point (e.g. the PlugPlayer on iPad) it even wakes up from standby (if you have the right settings in the tv)
2: Good question - lets hope for that.
3: The' AV' function in that sense has gone forever. On the Avant there is a 30 seconds 'picture auto-mute' function for audio sources. I haven't seen that in action yet. It is supposed to come to the other 'BSys4 based' tv's as well.
Millemissen:1: Sure, if you have the Avant, you will hardly need the Essence. If you prefer and use Spotify Connect a lot, you will depend on the Essece, though. You can stream music, video and pictures directly to the Avant using DLNA. The Avant acts as a renderer. If you 'throw' something at it from a DLNA control point (e.g. the PlugPlayer on iPad) it even wakes up from standby (if you have the right settings in the tv) 2: Good question - lets hope for that. 3: The' AV' function in that sense has gone forever. On the Avant there is a 30 seconds 'picture auto-mute' function for audio sources. I haven't seen that in action yet. It is supposed to come to the other 'BSys4 based' tv's as well. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
Millemissen: On the Avant there is a 30 seconds 'picture auto-mute' function for audio sources. I haven't seen that in action yet.
Looking forward to seeing the content of the 'List' on the BeOne.
On the newest Beo4's there are a lot of different entries for the 'List' - some of these are 'sources' with an 'A-' before the source name.
Maybe someone will come across a desciption of the list entries for the BeOne - such as the one that exists for the Beo4.
I'm intrigued what source they used for the UHD demo ?
The only "special" thing I have seen is a "Join" command, but then it is also available in the latest Beo4. I have not seen the full list, so it's I don't know if there;s more exotic things...
Flappo:I'm intrigued what source they used for the UHD demo ?
Millemissen:Looking forward to seeing the content of the 'List' on the BeOne.On the newest Beo4's there are a lot of different entries for the 'List' - some of these are 'sources' with an 'A-' before the source name.Maybe someone will come across a desciption of the list entries for the BeOne - such as the one that exists for the Beo4.MMThere is a tv - and there is a BV.
BeoGreg:There was a horrible black with a blue light plastic player behind the tv. The dealer told me it was the UHD player for the demo. In it, approx 10 films of 10 mns called "Bang & Olufsen UHD demonstration" with sightseeing of big cities, grand canyon, beaches...none better than what you can get on your tv (and everybody in the shop was saying that). Maybe a problem in the settings (trying to be positive here).
4k is more and more becoming less and less relevant .
It's really pointless and nothing more than marketing hype
There's NO sources , There's NO material worth playing ( see above demos )
What exactly is the point of it apart from bragging rights ? Mines bigger than yours LOL
Flappo: 4k is more and more becoming less and less relevant . It's really pointless and nothing more than marketing hype There's NO sources , There's NO material worth playing ( see above demos ) What exactly is the point of it apart from bragging rights ? Mines bigger than yours LOL
"640 k ought to be enough for anyone""
I'm a mac head so that doesn't really burn , sorry.
Good luck with your 'new' avant
Sadly it'll never be the new avant as the old avant was widely acknowledged as the best tv in the world throughout it's 10 year tenure ( I should know I had one - it was AMAZING ) the new one is just a knee jerk reaction from a company in dire need of the next big thing to keep it afloat after a decade of moronic business decisions
The bv11 is the only bno tv worthy of calling a successor to the avant , the new avant is just a flashy toy with nowhere to go but irrelevance .
Wow flappo...
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Flappo: I'm a mac head so that doesn't really burn , sorry. Good luck with your 'new' avant Sadly it'll never be the new avant as the old avant was widely acknowledged as the best tv in the world throughout it's 10 year tenure ( I should know I had one - it was AMAZING ) the new one is just a knee jerk reaction from a company in dire need of the next big thing to keep it afloat after a decade of moronic business decisions The bv11 is the only bno tv worthy of calling a successor to the avant , the new avant is just a flashy toy with nowhere to go but irrelevance .
I also use macs. And my macbook pro just got 4k support with the release of 10.9.3. I don't understand why you keep bashing the new Avant over and over and over again. I think we already got your point and you don't _need_ to buy it you know. (By the way I think the BV11 is more "flashy").
The macbook pro maxes out at 3k and is a retina hi res mac with a staggering pq
If a computer doesn't need 4k , why should a tv ?
I just don't see the point of 4k at all
The mac mini and iMac don't support 4k , only the mac pro does , and that's for professional a/v use only.
Flappo: The macbook pro maxes out at 3k and is a retina hi res mac with a staggering pq If a computer doesn't need 4k , why should a tv ? I just don't see the point of 4k at all The mac mini and iMac don't support 4k , only the mac pro does , and that's for professional a/v use only.
Ehm? The retina display on my MacBook Pro is 15.4" not 55". Meaning 220 pixels per inch on the MacBook Pro, and 80.11 pixels per inch on 55". (Full HD on 55" is 40.05 pixels per inch). The Mac mini and iMac is not made for HiDPI yet, the Mac mini has not been upgraded in years. And neither have the Apple Display. Most probably the next one will be 4K. But as I said, I think we understand that you don't see a point with 4K. Not everyone thinks the same. But never mind.
You are so right. The Avant is superior in EVERY element of the technology; heavily revised version of the V1, BV11 chassis, Improvements to the picture processing with dynamic temperature control, improved ambient lighting measurement, a next generation panel with 4x resolution, considerably more capable sound system with 2.5x the equivalent power output, greater placement agility through the new stand. Those is the facts.
Looks are subjective and everyone is open to their opinion. I like the fact that the Avant occupies a lower volume of visual space.
The costs are different because it seems B&O have applied a different model and are wanting to drive greater volumes. Greater volumes also supports greater pull through of higher margin items like the speakers and woofers.
4K offers picture benefits to all 1080p content from the Apple TV or Blu-Ray through advanced upscaling. Fact. So you get an immediate benefit today. Then, as you righty say real-deal 4k content is likely next year - but you are ready to go when it comes.
It does more, it costs less, its that simple. Whats not to like?
PS - the BV11 is still a fab product. Enjoy it.
I'm definitely going to go with samsung although I'm sure to b&0s specification.
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