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I am very optimistic!
Here's the Beomaster 1000, type 2317, series 17 that Dave Farr kindly donated to me.
I haven't done anything yet - the power lead is chopped anyway - just a little bit of dusting and cleaning, you know, dessicated (!) bugs, cobwebs and loads of thick dust, to present it here.
Fortunately, it was not used at a smokers's house, or in a kitchen, so the dust was not greasy or anything. Just loads of it! For instance, the wires instantly got clean after dusting off with a painter's brush. Good!
Such a huge quantity of dust reminds me of my tube TV repairing days!
A few crusty, leaky ROE caps in there!
The tuner string is still in place and the mechanism works smoothly and silently.
Jacques
Following with interest! Keen to see how you get on with this one!
Ben
interesting stuff! Have a couple of vintage beomasters and beolabs 1700 up for overhaul to when I find the time to do so. You think the big caps can still be replaced with new ones?
good luck
Nothing wrong with optimism Jacques!
I'm also following this with interest as it will give me some hints on looking after the other 2 I have (one black keyed and one ivory keys).
I hadn't even looked into this one but it seemed so unmolested that I thought it had a good chance in the right hands.
Dave.
Dave Farr: I hadn't even looked into this one but it seemed so unmolested that I thought it had a good chance in the right hands.
Thanks for the compliment Dave!
Next step, make a list of components, and do the same for the Beocord, then place the order. Quite a bit of work, this!
I could not find any Beomaster 1000 restoration thread anywhere, so I will do this from scratch, testing components one by one.
But courtesy of Beoworld, I do have the service manual!
Patrick vdf van der Heijden: interesting stuff! Have a couple of vintage beomasters and beolabs 1700 up for overhaul to when I find the time to do so. You think the big caps can still be replaced with new ones? good luck
Of course they can!
Thanks, but luck is not a factor - Lindsey Bud, The Abyss.
chartz: I could not find any Beomaster 1000 restoration thread anywhere, so I will do this from scratch, testing components one by one. But courtesy of Beoworld, I do have the service manual!
Here is my thread Jacques, did as you, opened, cleaned and will order parts from Martin, I hope he has kits for these.
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
Oh good!
The search engine could not find it! Perhaps because you entitled it BM 1000, not Beomaster 1000!
Thank you!
By the way Søren, putting the switches push buttons all back in place in one operation was easy on my example, on both sides.
Martin strongly advises to replace the power cap, because it has a tendency to blow, apparently... Will do.
chartz:By the way Søren, putting the switches push buttons all back in place in one operation was easy on my example, on both sides.
I tried hard, but no way i could do it. But taking off the keys, made it easier to get them clean on the laterals.
I am glad to report that the Beomaster works absolutely fine, apart from two bulbs. The regulated 30V is spot-on, and the quiescent currents are about right too!
Only issue, the balance pot which produces awful crackling noises, even after a good clean.
Testing phono with Dual 601
chartz: I am glad to report that the Beomaster works absolutely fine, apart from two bulbs. The regulated 30V is spot-on, and the quiescent currents are about right too! Only issue, the balance pot which produces awful crackling noises, even after a good clean. Testing phono with Dual 601
If I'd have known it was that good I would have kept it! Ha Ha.
I wonder why the plug was cut off it then?
Ooh, you know how to get a dander up don't you? Dual 601! I'm sure it sounds fine. All of my Dual TT's have been really good.
Don't be angry Dave. You did tell me that you had quite a few of those anyway Unless you're referring to the 601...
Yes, it sounds fine with the Dual.
More cleaning of the balance pot restored normal operation. Trouble is, those don't usually get much use, always staying in central position.
chartz: Don't be angry Dave. You did tell me that you had quite a few of those anyway Unless you're referring to the 601... Yes, it sounds fine with the Dual. More cleaning of the balance pot restored normal operation. Trouble is, those don't usually get much use, always staying in central position.
Jacques, I'm far from angry. I'm really pleased it's up and running and something you can add to your collection. I already have 2 BM1000's as you know. I hoped it would have been more of a challenge for you. I'll have to see what else I can find for you!
I was only referring to the thread from Beaker about the DUAL 601. All in jest.
I know what you mean about the balance pot. Even on my Beolab 5000 fully restored, as it never gets used, it does make a noise if I do move it. It doesn't take long for oxidation to take its toll.
As far as I'm concerned, you haven't done anything to the BM1000 yet as there aren't enough pictures!
Dave Farr: All in jest.
That's how I took it!
Dave Farr: As far as I'm concerned, you haven't done anything to the BM1000 yet as there aren't enough pictures!
I will take more pictures, don't worry.
The innards, cleaned completely. The usual free gift (top right). New pictures will come after I have replaced bulbs and capacitors.
Newly oiled
Dual TT playing some organ music...
@Jacques: Did you order parts from Martin or somewhere else. If you made a list can you mail it to me ?
The bulbs are from Martin, but the other components I will order locally. I have not made the list yet. But of course I will share it gladly!
chartz: The bulbs are from Martin, but the other components I will order locally. I have not made the list yet. But of course I will share it gladly!
Very appreciated, you have a PM
Jacques,
Very interesting indeed.
My God the Beomaster 1000 looks a LOT better in black as opposed to the yellowing white.
Jeff
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Piaf: Jacques, Very interesting indeed. My God the Beomaster 1000 looks a LOT better in black as opposed to the yellowing white.
Yes, Jeff, but being a completist, I will need one of those very quickly!
To remove the white plastic screen, unscrew the meter (underneath the chassis) to easily extract it.
Push the retaining clips backwards. Don't forget to secure the tuning needle, I chose to park it underneath the decoder!
Rotate the light tunnel and extract it upwards to access the dial bulbs. This is easy.
That bulb resisted, so I had to slide the bulb support out.
New bulbs in place. The 19V stereo beacon bulb cement crumbled, but the glass did not break at least! Sometimes you have to smash the bulb to unlock the cap.
Put the tunnel back into place, the open side facing the mirror plate (you have to clean that up too obviously). Don't forget to re-tighten the meter screw once the white screen is back in place.
Beomaster alight!
Please note that the bakelite cap should be the other way round. I wanted to show the light!
Mmm... Now I really ought to make that list for Søren and for myself!
Just for you Dave. Click to enlarge!
Hi Jacques,
Excuse me while I move my Beomaster 1000 to a safe place so I can throw rocks at it!
Your Beomaster 1000 looks fantastic!
Honestly, I find the white-keyed Beomaster prettier. I missed a mint one that was on the local ads two years ago and I could never quite accept that miserable, pathetic mishap.
But I'm sure there will be another opportunity, perhaps not next door this time!
Nicely done Jacques.
The white keyed one may be prettier but I think the black keyed are more scarce. I'm happy to take it back!
Dave Farr: Nicely done Jacques. The white keyed one may be prettier but I think the black keyed are more scarce. I'm happy to take it back!
Too late. I've given it to an old aunt of mine.
chartz: Dave Farr: Nicely done Jacques. The white keyed one may be prettier but I think the black keyed are more scarce. I'm happy to take it back! Too late. I've given it to an old aunt of mine.
if I'd have known you were going to give it away, I wouldn't have let you have it in the first place. I gave it to you so you could expand your collection. You said you didn't have one so I gave you one. I could have fixed it myself and sold it. As you said, I donated it to you.
Never mind. I won't be giving anything else away.
Okay, let's cut the funny ironical stuff!
Obviously, the aunt doesn't exist. But I was afraid that the other members should think that our little discussion was in earnest!
I will never part with it, Dave. It is a superb addition to my collection indeed, and to see the dusty old Beomaster live again is a joy. I will try very hard to find the matching deck and speakers, it deserves it. Thanks again for your generosity.
Will it ever stop? Mmm...
If Dave didn’t “get” your jest, I am sure he does now.
I, for one rather liked the Seinfeld-like dry humor. The “old aunt” was the perfect touch.
And as for Dave, that really was a NICE gift.
Slightly off-subject, but I just gotta give you a compliment.
As English is not your first language you have an amazing comprehension of the subtle meanings of words, that is to say your word choice is surprising (to me) for someone speaking a second or third language.
This compliment applies virtually intact to Søren and Martin, who both have an exquisite talent for word choice….. like you, and use it to stunning effect.
Then there is humor, even more difficult in a different language (or culture). How you guys manage this, I have no idea….. but you have my genuine admiration.
chartz:Obviously, the aunt doesn't exist. But I was afraid that the other members should think that our little discussion was in earnest!
You had me going, glad that it turned out to be a joke. Jacques:Try to get your Beovox and BG 1000 from DK, there are more for sale right now. Here one and here another, I am sure some of the Danish members will be able to help, if not you will have to find an old aunt up there. And NO, it never stops,
Piaf:As English is not your first language you have an amazing comprehension of the subtle meanings of words, that is to say your word choice is surprising (to me) for someone speaking a second or third language.
Well, he is an English teacher so that helps.
I'm afraid the irony was lost on me and the 'aunty' reference meant nothing to me either - as an Englishman. I was at a loss. Perhaps it's too subtle for me?
Perhaps it was a bit thick on the contrary! I thought we were on the same page.
I will avoid silly irony in the future, I'm sorry. No hard feelings I hope.
Dave Farr: Piaf:As English is not your first language you have an amazing comprehension of the subtle meanings of words, that is to say your word choice is surprising (to me) for someone speaking a second or third language. Well, he is an English teacher so that helps. I'm afraid the irony was lost on me and the 'aunty' reference meant nothing to me either - as an Englishman. I was at a loss. Perhaps it's too subtle for me? Dave.
Hi Dave,
Don’t feel bad, humor is regionally sensitive. Trust me on this.
As an American living in Canada I face this on a regular basis. I mean we DO speak the same language (more or less) so Canadians more often than not, get my jokes, especially if I stick an “eh” at the end of every other sentence, to no useful purpose. [Thank you kindly George III.]
However the Brits here almost never get my jokes. I try, they try, but in the end all I accomplish is a befuddled smile….. and I know they are silently questioning my sanity.
Now the Germans….. OMG, total culture clash. I have several good German friends, but we are wise enough to leave the comedy at the door.
Again trying to make you feel better, Americans don’t get British humour (notice how I changed the spelling) which is based primarily on repetition.
Personally I LOVE British humour, but it IS different.
Add to that, I come from the South and southerners have expressions like, “He needed killing” and “Well sir, that dog just won’t hunt.”
Lastly, Jacques is an English teacher? Yikes, I’d better watch my diction from now on.
Here are five landmarks in B&O's receiver production (all fully functional of course).
Each one of them a work of art. My favourite one sound-wise is the one in the middle!
The last addition here is Dave's BM 1000. A very musical little receiver, which pulls lots of stations with just a bit of wire!
That is a magnificent collection of fine art you have there. Colour me impressed…. Make that VERY impressed.
And your favourite is the Beomaster 4400. Interesting, as I would have guessed it would be the Beomaster 8000.
I don’t think I could pick one of mine over the others in the same way you would be unable to choose a favourite child. I love them all, I really do.
That said, I believe I like/admire your collection over mine! And that sir, is a compliment!
And you can add a few others... My absolute favourite will be the Beolab 5000 combination.
Yes, I do love the BM 8000, not pictured here. But to my ears, the mighty BM 4400 has unrivalled (sorry, Jeff, unrivaled!) sound quality. It sounds like a modern high-end integrated, and it has a tuner to boot!
chartz:BM 4400 has unrivalled (sorry, Jeff, unrivaled!) sound quality. It sounds like a modern high-end integrated, and it has a tuner to boot!
+1
I kinda figured you would be impressed, as you as should be, with your magnificent Beomaster 8000. It was, in many ways, B&O’s crowning achievement.
I am still kicking myself for missing that Beolab 5000, but at the time, it was the right decision. Should I find another one next year, it will be a different scenario.
I continue to enjoy my Beomaster 4400 in combination with the MC120.2 speakers….. neither of which compare favorably with yours.
The BM 4400 stopped burning two years ago and started again last week, then stopped burning abruptly. The “vintage” capacitors have held up a whole lot better than expected, but the volume is not what I would expect of a 75 watt amplifier, and as such I routinely play it just short of clipping, about 1 mm to the left of “6.”
The MC120.2’s are good for the high end, but the bass is anemic….. so in addition I run a pair of horrible Fisher XL77 speakers whose 12” woofers make up for the 120.2’s deficiency.
I wasn’t kidding when I said I found it difficult to name a favourite amplifier.
For instances I have the BeoCenter 9000 in the media room with the Beomaster 4500 and much prefer the sound from the BC 9000, which makes no sense as they have identical amplifiers. (It may just be that I prefer the S75’s coupled to the BC 9000 as opposed to the S45’s with the BM 4500.
If I were actually being pressed I would have to say my favourite amplifier is the McIntosh 2255. You may recall that I said years ago that I favored the Beomaster 4500 over the mighty McIntosh due to its intricate mellow sound, but that unique sound quality was due to a whimsical “desirable” group of failing capacitors, the combination of such made for a delightful and remarkable sound.
That magical sound disappeared when the BM 4500 was rebuilt.
I formally faulted the McIntosh for being “sterile” but I have come to truly appreciate the “neutral” sound and there is no getting around what a 500 watt amp can do with Linn Isobaric/McIntosh ML-2 speakers.
And none of the above takes away from the Beomaster 2400…. such a nice little amp that does whatever is asked of it. The BM 2400 doesn’t attempt some of the complex intricate notes the others achieve, but then it was designed to do so. But what it does, it does it very well.
So yes, I love them all, as I said in the first place.
Glad you love yours too!