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Manbearpig: Again some radically new design that I have never seen on a loudspeaker before. New things will always be looked at more sceptically as compared to rather minor changes of already well-established designs. However, I appreciate the effort of doing something innovative very much and like the design already. I'm sure it will grow on many, particularly if the speakers do sound incredible as well. There simply is nothing comparable on the market designwise and if somebody likes the extraordinary, he or she will need to buy this particular speaker. Well done.
Again some radically new design that I have never seen on a loudspeaker before. New things will always be looked at more sceptically as compared to rather minor changes of already well-established designs. However, I appreciate the effort of doing something innovative very much and like the design already. I'm sure it will grow on many, particularly if the speakers do sound incredible as well. There simply is nothing comparable on the market designwise and if somebody likes the extraordinary, he or she will need to buy this particular speaker. Well done.
Very well said...
It looks that B&O with this new design is trying us further to learn a new way of listening to music, to be being surrounded by music. They done it with their acoustic tweeter lens on other speakers. That's why I never liked the BL5, it sounded very good, but I could never pin-point instruments in the surrounding sound.
Its not my favorite listening way to music, I don't want to be surrounded by instruments. I just love to sit in my most comfortable seat and listen to music that comes from the front at me. Is this just an old fashion thought?
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
In the second photo, up close. I can see some small drivers. All the new shapes they are trying, like A6 / S3 are ok in person. But have no feeling on a picture from what ever angle.
Moving on ~ this is the most ridiculous looking thing ever. Maybe i've got used to some 'design' over function, but 'design' has needs. As this speaker adapts to furnishings, it should be happy behind couches. 2 cents.
Millemissen:Ask BeoBoy68 - who posted it! MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
I Love them already.
If they are about 1.5m to 1.7m high with a very very high sound output then I can see them looking good on an auditorium stage or at the end of an exceptionally large room. I can't imagine that they would look right in any domestic setting.
Graham
Please santa I tried to bee good this year
I think that this picture is a joke.
I met last week a b&o dealer who heard and seen them, his description is quite different.
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olvisab: I think that this picture is a joke. I met last week a b&o dealer who heard and seen them, his description is quite different.
If it is a joke then B&O have given the pictures to BeoBoy and a London dealer at the same time to create a diversion.
Beoboy68 who spend all his time to speak of Devialet on the forum, who recently said he wants to sell every b&o porducts he owns.
Since his first steps in his forum, I doubt of every words he writes here.
Seems like the text is all there but no pictures on the link yet?
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/sound/loudspeakers/beolab90
65Kg, 18 speakers, 8200W in total.. :P :P :P Talk about making a statement :-)
BeoLab 90 is designed according to the overall idea that form follows function. The loudspeaker driver positions and orientations are defined by the acoustical requirements. The placement of the electronics’ cooling fins was chosen to ensure that the rising heat could have no impact on the sound experience. The design is based on a complex aluminium cabinet totaling more than 65 kg, so the structure is rock solid. In a subtle contrast to the massiveness of the loudspeakers, the outer ‘skin’ is made of acoustically transparent fabric stretched like sails hovering in front of the driver units. The curved wooden base visually lifts up the large structure from the floor, making BeoLab 90 appear to float in your home.
Page now 'not found' somebody will get a telling off!
For those that missed it - bl90.zip
I shared them on Facebook...I thought they'd been released.
Didn't this happen with the Moment as well.
Are you sure they haven't been released. I don't understand...
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Present: BL90, Core, BL6000, CD7000, Beogram 7000, Essence Remote.
Past: BL1, BL2, BL8000, BS9000, BL5, BC2, BS5, BV5, BV4-50, Beosystem 3, BL3, DVD1, Beoremote 4, Moment.
BeoBoy68:This loudspeaker is incredible Amazing High Fidelity It take 3 years of hard work For details ask Geoff Martin I am not a technician
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Raeuber:I am very happy to read the words 'High Fidelity' in this forum for the first time since many years ago. Räuber
Räuber
I would not refer to High Fidelity as this is a very outdated standard.
I would call it Stereophonic sound creating some semblance of the illusion of live orchestral performers by the 360 degrees surround. A Semblance of realism, they tried it earlier in the 1970s with quadrophonic sound.
Bravo B&O!
Finally, my wait is over.
Anyone, who has been following the articles on Geoff Martin's website, should not be surprised by this desciption of the BL90.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Indeed... If you have read Geoff's articles then you know what's coming up in the BeoLab90 speaker... exept.. the design... :-)
I don't see enough substance here, at least until some professional reviewers can get their hands on them or we get to hear them (and how many dealers will carry them?).
The problem once again just like BL5 is that B&O seems to have thrown a bunch of drivers in a cabinet in an effort to create a wider "sweet spot" within an entire room to enjoy the music without losing details. Ok, that's fine. But there's no mention of any driver improvements to increase the *resolution and imaging* starting with the driver itself. Sure, the B&W 800 Series Diamond speakers don't have this incredible ability to bounce off every surface in a room and still keep a convincing stereo soundstage but... so what? If you ARE sitting in the sweet spot and even further, if you have a good Room EQ, the dividends are incredible with the diamond tweeter and the FST midrange.
I certainly hope that for 70,000.00 or whatever silly price these things will cost, there's more substance here than novel placement of cooling fins and beam width control. Yes, I read about both of these innovations on Geoff's site, but even with all the supposed innovation in the BL5 that stood since 2003, it still doesn't sound better than even an 804 Diamond D2 which is the smallest floor stander. In some ways, the BL5 doesn't really sound much better than my Penta IIIs. Sure, it throws sound out wider, but that doesn't matter when I sit down for serious listening anyway as I'm not going to sit off in a corner of the room. Transducer technology has advanced SO far in the last 20 years that you can not just ignore that part of the equation.
I just dug into the ZIP file posted below by another member, and the specs say that the drivers come from a company called Scan-Speak.
Apparently, according to the specs on the now taken down webpage say that the BL90 uses drivers from the Illuminator and Revelator family from the above company.
I'm sure others can glean more insignts on this info than I can, as I'm unfamiliar with the company.
Sal: I just dug into the ZIP file posted below by another member, and the specs say that the drivers come from a company called Scan-Speak. Apparently, according to the specs on the now taken down webpage say that the BL90 uses drivers from the Illuminator and Revelator family from the above company. I'm sure others can glean more insignts on this info than I can, as I'm unfamiliar with the company.
Ok, if that's the case then NOW we are getting somewhere (and I take back some of what I said in my previous post, which went into moderation for some reason??? and hasn't been posted yet)...
Scan Speak makes the drivers, or at least some of them, in the incredible Sony SS-AR1. The pair runs about $27,000.00.
Scan Speak is a reputable danish company located not far from Struer.
Normally B&O specifiy, what they need, when they order transducers for their speakers.
vikinger: BeoLab 90 is designed according to the overall idea that form follows function. The loudspeaker driver positions and orientations are defined by the acoustical requirements. The placement of the electronics’ cooling fins was chosen to ensure that the rising heat could have no impact on the sound experience. The design is based on a complex aluminium cabinet totaling more than 65 kg, so the structure is rock solid. In a subtle contrast to the massiveness of the loudspeakers, the outer ‘skin’ is made of acoustically transparent fabric stretched like sails hovering in front of the driver units. The curved wooden base visually lifts up the large structure from the floor, making BeoLab 90 appear to float in your home.
And this surely implies that the frame and fabric might take a different form at some time in the future, i.e. get the acoustics right and you could keep the speaker array and amplifiers more or less the same and just change the appearance when an update is required. Unfortunately, the current design is too frame-tent like for my taste.
In near future it will be possible to change the shape of the speaker with a software update
Millemissen: Scan Speak is a reputable danish company located not far from Struer. Normally B&O specifiy, what they need, when they order transducers for their speakers. MM
MM. Scan Speak is more than reputable. In the audiophile world, they are considered one of the very best.
There has to be more to this than what we have been talking about in this thread. At these prices, I would expect a choice of colors not only the fabric but also the wood. Also if they are going to appeal to the audiophile types or the very wealthy, B&O would need a new higher end music player or something.
Millemissen: In near future it will be possible to change the shape of the speaker with a software update MM
When I saw the picture of the speaker, and the way the silver trim outlined the fabric, I almost wondered if, based on the layout and shape, if it might be possible to change the shape.
Are you seriously saying it is?[
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Razlaw: Are you seriously saying it is?[
SORRY - just kidding ;-))))
It would have been pretty amazing if it were true, some the Bang and Olufsen mechanized magic.
Razlaw: It would have been pretty amazing if it were true, some the Bang and Olufsen mechanized magic.
BUT... Razlaw is on to something, as has been mentioned earlier, the cover seems to be merely a cover, likely very easily replaceable, if it is just slid on top of and secured to the wooden base. The way the current one looks, it seems like the aluminum framing can be constructed with hinges, and might, if one were so inclined to make a reshapable structure onto which stretchy fabric can be affixed, so that the user can change the shape and not affect the sonic qualities of the speaker.
It seems like B&O's very admirable attempt to hide the fact that the "meat" of the speaker. What is under the fabric may not look very good due to it's function. The form (the fabric sails), hide the functionally important speaker, the aluminum structure and 360 degree placed drivers.
The design is growing on me.
Maybe B&O have found their new design language.
I see no reason, why we (means those who are lucky enogh to have them) should not be able to change the colour of the fabric - we'll have to wait and see.
As for the shape - don't think of changing that. It is 'part of', what makes the speaker work the way, it does.
Might be different with another speaker using the same technologies - but certainly not something, that a user could influence 'on the go'.
One of B and O's twitter posts speaks of the home being a sanctuary from the buzz of everyday noise and listening to music without noise. Could the new speaker have some sort of noise cancellation system?
- Flere
smile and enjoy the moment
B and O Facebook page now mentions "active room compensation" and October 6th.
'Active Room Compensation'.
http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2015/08/31/bo-tech-active-room-compensation-some-details-part-1/
Millemissen: I see no reason, why we (means those who are lucky enogh to have them) should not be able to change the colour of the fabric - we'll have to wait and see. As for the shape - don't think of changing that. It is 'part of', what makes the speaker work the way, it does. Might be different with another speaker using the same technologies - but certainly not something, that a user could influence 'on the go'. MM
Yes, but surely the design will allow B&O to produce 'Facelift' later versions at little extra cost.