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I have had these speakers for 18 months. When they work they work fine. But honestly.. what a nightmare to own! I cannot go one week without having to reboot them. Everything fails constantly. I just want my previous life back!
So after a reboot I just counted 11 times I had to hit the Beolab 50 icon on the app before it recognised them! That is usual.
Just curious, my friend, have you ensured you’re running the latest firmware on both the parent and child speaker?
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They are hard wired to a Beosystem. But I regularly use them through BV11 wireless. But then everytime I power them back again a few days later,,, nothing. No config makes any difference. The only solution is to unplug, wait, and start again. That is so impressive, not!
Hi Beophile
my first pair was a nightmaire. But I had them three month and after that I got a replacement. After that they work fine also with the new sw 3.1. BO have had trouble with some abL 50 and they know it very well! So try to change the speakers for new ones. I think that is the only solution.
Best regards
Martin
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Beofile7:They are hard wired to a Beosystem. But I regularly use them through BV11 wireless. But then everytime I power them back again a few days later,,, nothing. No config makes any difference. The only solution is to unplug, wait, and start again. That is so impressive, not!
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Michael: Also, bl50 looses a lot of its competence in wireless mode as the speakers can not communicate then. So please. Stop using it.
Also, bl50 looses a lot of its competence in wireless mode as the speakers can not communicate then. So please. Stop using it.
That applies to most speakers, but perplexes me anyone would spend £20K+ on a speaker and then attempt to use a wireless connection to stream high quality audio from their TV to the speakers. The logistics and bandwidth required for this to work flawlessly is almost incomprehensible. I'd never connect a soundbar wirelessly to a TV, for example.
As a comparison, you can blind-stream radio or Spotify wireless to, say, an Edge or BeoSystem 2, and this generally does work flawlessly as it buffers the audio and you don't need to worry about sync. I've lost my internet connection a few times, yet the audio will carry on streaming for another 30 seconds as it was buffered.
When you connect your TV wireless speakers, you need perfectly streamed non-buffered flaw-free audio. And if you play an uncompressed Blu-ray audio feed, wirelessly, you're simply asking for issues.
I wonder if people really understand the technical barriers required to wirelessly stream audio?
I think there is a little misunderstanding here...
They are hardwired to a 7000 system but with a bit of switching I can also wirelessly use them as TV speakers. Both work well, once working.
I don't think I have ever had an issue driving them once the connection has been made.
The issue is the app losing it's connectivity occasionally....like every week! Often accompanied by just one speaker switching on! They are ALWAYS switched on via the 7000. ie. the wired connection.
So I switch on with "radio" and they power up, but the app does not connect so I lose all the app functions and cannot then drive them from the TV wirelessly as I cannot make that switching.
A reset of the iphone or using an ipad makes no difference. The speakers must be rebooted. I can find no other way.
So this is happening every few days. I hope this explains the issue a little further?
Sorry. my response was not relevant to your issue.
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Beofile7:I think there is a little misunderstanding here... They are hardwired to a 7000 system but with a bit of switching I can also wirelessly use them as TV speakers. Both work well, once working. I don't think I have ever had an issue driving them once the connection has been made. The issue is the app losing it's connectivity occasionally....like every week! Often accompanied by just one speaker switching on! They are ALWAYS switched on via the 7000. ie. the wired connection. So I switch on with "radio" and they power up, but the app does not connect so I lose all the app functions and cannot then drive them from the TV wirelessly as I cannot make that switching. A reset of the iphone or using an ipad makes no difference. The speakers must be rebooted. I can find no other way. So this is happening every few days. I hope this explains the issue a little further?
I change the sound on the BV11 to wireless BL 50 and the input to the speakers to wireless via the app. Obviously this will need to be pre-programmed.
Beofile7:I change the sound on the BV11 to wireless BL 50 and the input to the speakers to wireless via the app. Obviously this will need to be pre-programmed.
So ... pay 30-50 k for speakers but don't use one of their selling points? That's ludicrous.
To be honest if WISA is probably not a good reason to buy beolab 50s. My 2 cents. It should be the audio quality and design.
Never had a moment's problem with mine and since switching them to rear speakers via WISA I have never had a dropped connection.
bwest1000:So ... pay 30-50 k for speakers but don't use one of their selling points? That's ludicrous.
"So ... pay 30-50 k for speakers but don't use one of their selling points? That's ludicrous."
I completely agree and can't understand why some are eager to just overlook such a detail. To me it would be comparable to finding the rear doors on my Rolls Royce don't open! Sold as a four door but not all actually work!
But this is not about the wireless capabilities.
Mine are fine once connected. It is the speakers dropping connectivity with the app and refusing to re-establish without a reboot, whilst using wired connection. It is the only way I can turn them on. The app never turns them on. I don't know if it is supposed to?
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Beofile7:The app never turns them on. I don't know if it is supposed to?
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Beofile7: "So ... pay 30-50 k for speakers but don't use one of their selling points? That's ludicrous." I completely agree and can't understand why some are eager to just overlook such a detail. To me it would be comparable to finding the rear doors on my Rolls Royce don't open! Sold as a four door but not all actually work! But this is not about the wireless capabilities. Mine are fine once connected. It is the speakers dropping connectivity with the app and refusing to re-establish without a reboot, whilst using wired connection. It is the only way I can turn them on. The app never turns them on. I don't know if it is supposed to?
Honestly I dont agree at all. As I have tried to explain, and asked during my try at finding the issue, the only problem I can see that causes these issues is the wireless part. We have already many times over at the forum established that WISA simply is not a very problem free solution. It is very easy to have issues with it. It uses the 5GHz radio of the wifi frequency range and if you have ANY other devices transmitting data on that range then you WILL have issues. And even if you don't it is fairly unstable at operating as it has to both transmit sound in near real time with a very low buffer and high quality sound as well as communicate turning on and turning off.We do not know how the scenario in your home looks like but if the distance is more than a few meters and you have a regular router and multiple wireless devices I think that it already is a troublesome environment. If you live in a bank vault without wifi then maybe it WILL work. However, it is pretty usual that it does NOT work well. And, besides that, your setup is fairly unusual as the speakers are connected to a vintage system and wirelessly to a modern system. I don't know how this works in tandem and its probably pretty rare to have this setup. I believe your speakers are connected to a wired router but I can't really tell from what you write but I hope they are. In any case, maybe there is also a problem with the router or how it routes/manages devices on the network, especially devices in idle mode. As you say you have problems turning the speakers on and off via the app. I would go through all the details more thoroughly to find the issue. It might be your specific speaker/speaker that is the issue, a cabling issue, a router/router software or config issue, wifi issues or wisa issues, or compatibility issues with using a vintage system with powerlink and a TV via wireless config. Anyway, I would not say the speakers are a nightmare. For me they sound really good, and are a very unique product. It is almost like a formula 1 car. Very high performance, very few devices and very custom made. It is probably possible to drive one of them on gravel but I dont think its a good idea either. Just like using wisa on these speakers, honestly I think B&O should not have included it but I guess marketing wanted it thrown in. One thing that I am surprised with is that WIFI is always on in them, continuously pulling power and being mainly on without any reason when not in use. That is bad programming and probably a result of no customer input or complaints.
Thank God I don't have 50K to spend on a pair of speakers, but the fact is that every single thing I bought from B&O had some kind of wireless/BT connectivity issue. (Moment, A9, headphones etc).
No way is that reasonable. Your analogy doesn't really hold up. To fit in to your analogy, let me say it is like buying a formula one car but being told not to use the highest gear. It's like buying a Tesla that is self driving but being told the car is great but don't use the programming. Or a new Porsche with wireless Carplay but then be told, "Well, yeah it's wireless carplay but it doesn't work. Use a wire." A Porsche apologist would say, ok, you gotta use a wire. I love Porsche and am going to look the other way. An unbiased consumer would hopefully demand a product that works as DESCRIBED! If it doesn't work take out the feature then! Take out a feature if it doesn't work! I have 5 tvs, 3 playstations, a half dozen ipads and other apple devices, probably a dozen, amazon alexas and google chromes, nest systems and 40 LIFX bulbs and everything is working fine. F-I-N-E. So you're saying that its ok for the programming, wireless and WISA not to work from B&O? Saying it is acceptable? Take the feature out! Don't put a non functioning feature in the marketing materials as a selling point. I have bought used 8000s and 6000s and I am not complaining that their wireless functionality doesn't work because I know it is not there! Dont sell me something with a feature that blatantly doesn't work. It is literally the definition of a false bill of goods.
bwest1000:No way is that reasonable. Your analogy doesn't really hold up. To fit in to your analogy, let me say it is like buying a formula one car but being told not to use the highest gear. It's like buying a Tesla that is self driving but being told the car is great but don't use the programming. Or a new Porsche with wireless Carplay but then be told, "Well, yeah it's wireless carplay but it doesn't work. Use a wire." A Porsche apologist would say, ok, you gotta use a wire. I love Porsche and am going to look the other way. An unbiased consumer would hopefully demand a product that works as DESCRIBED! If it doesn't work take out the feature then! Take out a feature if it doesn't work! I have 5 tvs, 3 playstations, a half dozen ipads and other apple devices, probably a dozen, amazon alexas and google chromes, nest systems and 40 LIFX bulbs and everything is working fine. F-I-N-E. So you're saying that its ok for the programming, wireless and WISA not to work from B&O? Saying it is acceptable? Take the feature out! Don't put a non functioning feature in the marketing materials as a selling point. I have bought used 8000s and 6000s and I am not complaining that their wireless functionality doesn't work because I know it is not there! Dont sell me something with a feature that blatantly doesn't work. It is literally the definition of a false bill of goods.
I could imagine using WiSA for connecting a set of the 50’s as surround speakers.
But, I would never use WiSA if they were my front speakers intented to be used for 2 channel/stereo listening also or as a standalone pair with e.g. a Core/Moment.
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bwest1000: So ... pay 30-50 k for speakers but don't use one of their selling points? That's ludicrous.
It's more of a technical issue. WISA is fine for streaming audio which doesn't need to be in sync with the video, but beyond this, I'd never try and WISA a 4K disc movie, with uncompressed audio, to my speakers, for example.
People don't get the technicalities and just blame B&O and the fact the speakers are 'so expensive it should work out the box!!!'. I can understand why some people buy B&O. Limited clue.
Not sure if people are upset or not, but possibly confused would a better adjective.
I think there is consensus that WISA connection is not preferable to wired.
I cant tell if there is consensus that WISA connection just doesnt work, or whether its a bit sketchy like many wireless tech?
And do B&O actually tell customers to avoid using WISA? If so, then that would be odd, and I can see why some are confused.
But again, its not obvious to me that there is a clear steer from them to avoid using it.
Michael: bwest1000: No way is that reasonable. Your analogy doesn't really hold up. To fit in to your analogy, let me say it is like buying a formula one car but being told not to use the highest gear. It's like buying a Tesla that is self driving but being told the car is great but don't use the programming. Or a new Porsche with wireless Carplay but then be told, "Well, yeah it's wireless carplay but it doesn't work. Use a wire." A Porsche apologist would say, ok, you gotta use a wire. I love Porsche and am going to look the other way. An unbiased consumer would hopefully demand a product that works as DESCRIBED! If it doesn't work take out the feature then! Take out a feature if it doesn't work! I have 5 tvs, 3 playstations, a half dozen ipads and other apple devices, probably a dozen, amazon alexas and google chromes, nest systems and 40 LIFX bulbs and everything is working fine. F-I-N-E. So you're saying that its ok for the programming, wireless and WISA not to work from B&O? Saying it is acceptable? Take the feature out! Don't put a non functioning feature in the marketing materials as a selling point. I have bought used 8000s and 6000s and I am not complaining that their wireless functionality doesn't work because I know it is not there! Dont sell me something with a feature that blatantly doesn't work. It is literally the definition of a false bill of goods. I can’t even read what you write. Use some formatting please.. is everyone just upset? We have all just said wisa is usually not working well and still all the focus is on insisting to use it. B&O themselves even does recommend not to do it as it heavily limits the speakers performance. It’s also a feature that heavily relies on the surround of the speaker and not just the speaker itself. Very hard to argue when people refuse to listen or even care. The wireless interface is there but it is simply the worst one available. I also said they should not have included the feature, please read. And now go enjoy your five TVs and dozen iPads. (Whatever that has to do with this...)
bwest1000: No way is that reasonable. Your analogy doesn't really hold up. To fit in to your analogy, let me say it is like buying a formula one car but being told not to use the highest gear. It's like buying a Tesla that is self driving but being told the car is great but don't use the programming. Or a new Porsche with wireless Carplay but then be told, "Well, yeah it's wireless carplay but it doesn't work. Use a wire." A Porsche apologist would say, ok, you gotta use a wire. I love Porsche and am going to look the other way. An unbiased consumer would hopefully demand a product that works as DESCRIBED! If it doesn't work take out the feature then! Take out a feature if it doesn't work! I have 5 tvs, 3 playstations, a half dozen ipads and other apple devices, probably a dozen, amazon alexas and google chromes, nest systems and 40 LIFX bulbs and everything is working fine. F-I-N-E. So you're saying that its ok for the programming, wireless and WISA not to work from B&O? Saying it is acceptable? Take the feature out! Don't put a non functioning feature in the marketing materials as a selling point. I have bought used 8000s and 6000s and I am not complaining that their wireless functionality doesn't work because I know it is not there! Dont sell me something with a feature that blatantly doesn't work. It is literally the definition of a false bill of goods.
I can’t even read what you write. Use some formatting please.. is everyone just upset? We have all just said wisa is usually not working well and still all the focus is on insisting to use it.
B&O themselves even does recommend not to do it as it heavily limits the speakers performance. It’s also a feature that heavily relies on the surround of the speaker and not just the speaker itself.
Very hard to argue when people refuse to listen or even care.
The wireless interface is there but it is simply the worst one available.
I also said they should not have included the feature, please read. And now go enjoy your five TVs and dozen iPads. (Whatever that has to do with this...)
Sandyb:Not sure if people are upset or not, but possibly confused would a better adjective. I think there is consensus that WISA connection is not preferable to wired. I cant tell if there is consensus that WISA connection just doesnt work, or whether its a bit sketchy like many wireless tech? And do B&O actually tell customers to avoid using WISA? If so, then that would be odd, and I can see why some are confused. But again, its not obvious to me that there is a clear steer from them to avoid using it.
Mikipidia... Well I am tempted to try this, with wires laid all over the sitting room.? For what though? Maybe I'll post later on that. But thanks for a constructive contribution. BUT... twice now, I have tried to steer (unsuccesfully) this conversation away from wireless comms. We are connected with wires. As far as I know, i cannot connect my iphone/ipad via a wire to these speakers? So that connection will always remain wireless? That is how they are designed to be operated, isn't it?
But for the benefit of those still arguing about wireless connections....B&O describe them as "seamless immaculate wireless connection" I can't argue with that. AGAIN, I stipulate that once connected I have no problem. MY WIRELESS CONNECTION WORKS FINE. IT ALWAYS DID AND STILL DOES. So why are you alll arguing about this?
This is the issue...... I was listening to a CD wired via powerlink (that has not changed over the years as far as I know?) yesterday. Today, when I try to listen to another CD (again wired) the speakers do not switch on. They do not recognise an input signal. The app does not see the speakers at all.
That did not happen yesterday but it is happening occasionally. AFAIK it has nothing to do with any wireless comms?
Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding your problem, and perhaps I am not even understanding correctly what I am going to suggest....and Mikipidia knows far more than I do......but in addition to what he suggests, ...
If I understand your problem correctly, you are using both WISA to the speakers and PowerLink. The problem you mentioned is starting a CD by PowerLink but it not working the next time. Could page 37, paragraph 12.4 of the Technical Sound Guide possibly provide any help?
I think not. They are set to recognise an auto input. And most of the time they do.
"Note that the Detection Threshold parameter is not available for the Power Link input, since the loudspeaker is automatically turned on and off by the Power Link source."
So this is non ajustable.
Please excuse my formatting, English is my first language.
My example of multiple TVs and iPads is that I own other products from other brands that are more reliable and dont cost as much as a new car. All of them are interacting and interfacing as described by the brand when sold. This is their webpage, " Meet a wireless loudspeaker that performs beyond reference in every listening scenario. " It doesn't do that. It doesn't do what it says it will do. It doesn't perform beyond reference in every scenario. It has serious issues connecting via its wireless format. You're agreeing with that. You're defending a defective feature of a $40,000 pair of speakers. This product touts itself as wireless in the first line of the overview of their product, right on their website under "Luxurious Beast". You are saying it is defective. The product has a defective feature. A $40,000 pair of speakers has a defective feature. A feature that remains defective. It is a primary selling point of a 40k pair of speakers. A defective feature is a primary selling point of a 40k pair of speakers. Something seems off about selling a 40k pair of speakers with that as the primary selling point but yet the feature is defective.