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Beosound 9000 Mk3 + BLC ML/NL = multiroom

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AnalogPlanet
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AnalogPlanet Posted: Thu, Nov 18 2021 5:52 AM

Hi guys, finally managed to get both Beosound 9000 Mk3 and the BLC ML/NL in order to add BS 9000 as a CD source to my multiroom setup. Connection-wise, it's gonna be extremely simple: BS9000 connected just with MasterLink cable to the BLC ML/NL, and then BLC ML/NL connected with LAN UTP cable to my router.

After reading BLC ML/NL manual numerous times, and endless research here on the forum, I still couldn't find how should I set up the BLC ML/NL in order to be able to select the BS9000 in the B&O app and play CDs on multiroom speaker(s).

I acknowledge it should be fairly simple, but as I joined the B&O world only in "NL times", I have troubles understanding the "ML logic" in terms of sources, master/slave choice etc. If it is not too difficult to share a hint about how the setup of BLC ML/NL should look like I would be so very grateful. Smile

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L Spad replied on Thu, Nov 18 2021 11:00 AM

With a masterlink network, you have only one audio master and one video master. All other products are source centres or slave devices in the old parlance. In your case the BS9000 is an audio master and the ml/nl converter will therefore most likely be set as a video master in order to request sources from the audio master and distribute them to the rest of the nl network. I say most likely because other options are possible, but in your case probably not the best option.

the details of the setup will be different if you choose to connect speakers to the converter rather than to the BS9000 (I.e if you have a IR eye connected to the converter) - the only reason I can think of to do that would be if you are using a BLGW/BLI and want to pass light and control commands as I don’t think the BS9000 has that capability.

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Thank you, will try that tomorrow! And btw: no speakers will be connected to neither BS9000 nor BLC… …I do have Beoplay A9 and Beosound Stage on NL that I plan to use as speakers. Wink

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Razlaw replied on Thu, Nov 18 2021 3:43 PM
I have a Beosound 3000 with no connected speakers, ML and NL TVs ML active kit, and NL speakers.

I have the MasterLink role set as Source Center in the converter settings.

Under Sources Visible on NL I have N Radio and N Music assigned to Essence Tune In and Essence Music. Under Experience Mapped to NL I have CD set to use the name CD and checked enabled.

No speakers connected to converter.

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L Spad replied on Thu, Nov 18 2021 7:06 PM

An added complication is that you bs9000 will be in A.Opt 0 with no speakers connected so you may need an it eye for your blc? I believe there is a dummy plug available to fool the bs9000 into thinking speakers are connected 

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Johan replied on Thu, Nov 18 2021 8:09 PM

Hi, in my view there is no need for an extra IR eye. The CD source of the BS9000 will be made available in the NL system (experience mapped to NL) by the BLC, and CD related commands sent to the A9 or Stage will be translated to control the BS9000 by the BLC.

I would say that when you set the BLC to be an Audio Slave, you only map CD as an experience to NL. See page 14 of the BeoLink Converter NLML (ver 1.4) manual.

I do a similar thing with my BeoGram CD7000 (through BeoMaster 6500 and a BeoLink (MCL) converter) to get the CD playing on NL. All with help from kind people on the forum :-).

Hope you can get it working!

Regards,

Johan

 

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L Spad replied on Thu, Nov 18 2021 8:31 PM

Good point - I’m still in the mindset of connecting Ebola s to something! Ignore me!

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Thank you all guys, this is so kind of you, I will send a "happy" message here once I get it to work (plays CDs). Wink

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Everything works thanks to your kind help. Lets have a Party !!! "Speakerless" BS 9000 connected to BLC streams in multiroom to BS Stage and Beoplay A9! Big Smile

Next step: BLI and integration into Beoremote Halo. Cool

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Razlaw replied on Sat, Nov 20 2021 11:44 AM
Glad you got it working!

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Jonfn replied on Sat, Jan 15 2022 9:27 PM

Would you mind sharing your working setup?
Mine is similar to yours, BS9000 Mk2 + BLC ML/NL + BL28 + BS2

I have tried the suggestions in this thread, but the B&O app keeps saying “play something on BeoSound9000 to add speakers to this group” (Beosound9000 is the name of th ML/NL)

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Jonfn replied on Sat, Jan 15 2022 9:27 PM

Would you mind sharing your working setup?
Mine is similar to yours, BS9000 Mk2 + BLC ML/NL + BL28 + BS2

I have tried the suggestions in this thread, but the B&O app keeps saying “play something on BeoSound9000 to add speakers to this group” (Beosound9000 is the name of th ML/NL)

Thanks

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Carolpa replied on Sun, Jan 16 2022 5:51 AM

Jonfn:
Would you mind sharing your working setup?

  • Open the BLC setup
  • Set ML role as ASlave
  • Set Connect primary/secondary to the BLC
  • In "Experience mapped to NL" check the source(s) CD, RADIO, AUX. Note: you can give the source another NL name over here, also.

with every step: confirm settings

option 1 (I'm presuming the BS2 has this feature):

  • Open Settings in the B&o app
  • goto Products; goto Configuration
  • goto Setup; goto Beolink
  • goto Link to other Products
  • select the BLC to connect with in the primary connection
  • confirm settings

(if the BS2 has this feature) Now the BLC sources are visible as sources of the BS2. Start the BS9000 CD on the BS2 and JOIN them on the BL28.

option 2 (will/should work always)

  • In the B&o app choose the BLC
  • click on the black taskbar the BLC name.
  • Click the three dots and select the source you want to play.
  • JOIN the BS2 and/or the BL28

 

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Jonfn replied on Sun, Jan 16 2022 10:15 AM

Thanks a lot Carolpa. It works!!

 

I think I missed the radio and aux before, thinking that CD and N.Music was the only needed ones

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Thanks Carolpa, I can confirm that option #1 works with the A9Mk2 too , but not with the Stage. So I think option #2 is actually a safer bet across the current product portfolio (as much as option #1 is WAAAAY cooler!)

Btw, I had my BLC in VMaster mode, didn't know it can be in ASlave too... so I am testing it now and apparently all works well. Thumbs Up

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Jan 17 2022 5:13 AM

Jonfn:
Thanks a lot Carolpa. It works!!

I think I missed the radio and aux before, thinking that CD and N.Music was the only needed ones

 

I don't think you'll have a purpose for the N.Music command in your setup.

AnalogPlanet:

Thanks Carolpa, I can confirm that option #1 works with the A9Mk2 too , but not with the Stage. So I think option #2 is actually a safer bet across the current product portfolio (as much as option #1 is WAAAAY cooler!)

Btw, I had my BLC in VMaster mode, didn't know it can be in ASlave too... so I am testing it now and apparently all works well. Thumbs Up

ASlave is/was intended for connecting one audio ML device without speakers connected to the ML audio device.

option 1 should work with the first generation NL devices (Core, Essence mkii, BS35, A6, BV11, .....and A9mk2). I expected also the BS2 but I wasn't sure.

 

 

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Peter Pan replied on Mon, Jan 17 2022 6:15 AM

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Jan 17 2022 8:11 AM

L Spad :
An added complication is that you bs9000 will be in A.Opt 0 with no speakers connected so you may need an it eye for your blc? I believe there is a dummy plug available to fool the bs9000 into thinking speakers are connected
This is no issue if one uses a BLC and setup as indicated. Then a IR eye is not necessary!

 

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L Spad :

An added complication is that you bs9000 will be in A.Opt 0 with no speakers connected so you may need an it eye for your blc? I believe there is a dummy plug available to fool the bs9000 into thinking speakers are connected 

As a matter of fact this is not a problem if you plan to start BS9000 playback through B&O app as Carolpa described couple of posts ago. Alternatively, Halo can do it too without a workaround needed.

Now, if you planned to use Beo 4 remote, then I can't help much (but I see others have some schematics provided already). Big Smile

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Carolpa:

ASlave is/was intended for connecting one audio ML device without speakers connected to the ML audio device.

On a side note!

That is the ‘kind of device’ that people nowadays could use, when they want to integrate e.g. a BS9000 with their NL/Mozart devices.

A new box with just that option would be great…….and would make sense to ‘relaunch’.

If they would make it wireless, it would be even greater.

All other functions of the NL/ML Converter are (for the majority) obsolete.

MM

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Carolpa replied on Mon, Jan 17 2022 6:02 PM

Millemissen:
Carolpa:
ASlave is/was intended for connecting one audio ML device without speakers connected to the ML audio device.

On a side note!

That is the ‘kind of device’ that people nowadays could use, when they want to integrate e.g. a BS9000 with their NL/Mozart devices.

A new box with just that option would be great…….and would make sense to ‘relaunch’.

If they would make it wireless, it would be even greater.

All other functions of the NL/ML Converter are (for the majority) obsolete.

MM

Exactly, 100% agree.

In line what I proposed in another post.

 

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MartinRK replied on Mon, Jan 17 2022 8:20 PM
Thanks for the info on converter. I have just bought a BLC arriving in a few days.

I will connect a Beocenter 9500 to it, with a Beogram 9500 connected to phono input on the Beocenter, put the BLC in ASlave mode, and map Radio = Radio, Tape = A-Mem, CD = CD and Phono = N-Radio.

There will be no speakers connected to the Beocenter, all sound will be through multiroom devices as “Join”. Plan is to have Beoplay A6, Core and BL28 in the setup.

Will there be a conflict between the Phono (N-Radio) command and e.g. TuneIn on a multi-room device?

What is the correct A-option for the Beocenter when connected to the BLC?

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Carolpa replied on Tue, Jan 18 2022 5:40 AM

MartinRK:
Will there be a conflict between the Phono (N-Radio) command and e.g. TuneIn on a multi-room device?

What is the correct A-option for the Beocenter when connected to the BLC?

no conflict with the app.

A option: I did place mine in option 0. but in principal other option will work. note: if in other option than 0 the Beocenter will receive remote commands and will behave accordingly with possible conflicts.

 

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Iggy replied on Mon, Jan 24 2022 3:01 AM

What if the BLC is away from the router......?

Any solution for this?

Or has the BLC always to be wired to the router?

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Iggy:

What if the BLC is away from the router......?

Any solution for this?

Or has the BLC always to be wired to the router?

Thanks 

Yes, it needs a cabled connection (which in any case always is better).

You might be able to use a PowerLine solution to get a wired connection or a wifi repeater with a network connection port.

Alternatively - maybe you could have a Masterlink cable from the installation to a location near the router?

MM

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