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I'll be happy to admit that I am wrong - if I am wrong.
No problem with that!
What you guys write/assume is rather 'sophisticated' - maybe it is just me having too little fantasy.
Looking at the connections side of the box (on the avaiable photos), I see an 'IR IN'.
But we will all soon be wiser
@DoubleU - As for the BeoMusic app. I did not add that because I know nothing about it yet - apart from the name. Do you know more?
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
No I don't. Fingers crossed, but I can only hope the interface can compete with the Sonos and/or iPeng app. To me the best usable apps I've seen till now.
I have often written that the usability of the Essence (at least for me as a 'non-playlist-consumer') will depend on how good this app will be.
Right! I also do my playlist 'on the fly'. How fast is it with indexing, searching. Gapless playback would be nice. Too many questions!
Hello,
Using my Playmaker with FLAC files stored on a NAS, I miss a digital output to feed my BL5.
The Essence has a Toslink socket. Is it an output?
If so, what's your feeling/experience with optical to coaxial converters?
I mainly listen to an intelligent playlist containing all my music, in random mode.
So the idea of using the knob to turn on the music rather than using the iPad is pretty good for me.
I hope anyway that the coming app will be clerverly and nicely designed (for the time being, I use Creation 5 which is very good, especially for album art display).
Kind regards,
Yann.
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YannChris: The Essence has a Toslink socket. Is it an output?
I see no toslink socket on the Essence-box.
That is the best picture of it, I could find:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/bang-olufsen-beosound-essence_Surround-Sound-System_review
MM,
You are (unfortunately) right.
No digital source for my 5s :(
Found a better picture in the media centre. 276Mb, not kidding! But cropped it a little... What's the 'pairing' knob?
DoubleU: Found a better picture in the media centre. 276Mb, not kidding! But cropped it a little... What's the 'pairing' knob?
Could the pairing have to do with pairing the box to the remotes?
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Off course! Pairing.. Bluetooth.. Seen it before!
DoubleU:Off course! Pairing.. Bluetooth.. Seen it before!
Bluetooth is a RF-signal. But it has to be BT, I guess. It makes sense you want to pair the volume with only one particular device.
You can have up to three 'knobs' connected to one Essence box.
If you have more box'es you would have have other (or more) 'knobs' paired with them.
DoubleU:Bluetooth is a RF-signal. But it has to be BT, I guess. It makes sense you want to pair the volume with only one particular device.
Approximately 10-meter.
Millemissen:Approximately 10-meter. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
10 meters is not enough for you? Seriously..?
Note that they are using low energy bluetooth.
That has more reach then the normal bluettooth. Bose is stating for theird around 70feet/20 meters so I would expect B&O to do the same.
For the app, I wouldnt expect too much.
I think the prime use case for this is to set up a huge playlist in spotify and have that play as a default or pick an internet radio station. They stated "last" available source will play when the know is used to switch it on so Airplay is a no since that will shut off after a while of inactivity. Not sure how dlna will behave
This thing is really just a jacked up playmaker with the knob and spotify connect on top. There is plenty of third party music player apps and the perfect thing that pulls everything together under one UI doesnt really exist - this would be probably too much to pull of for B&O
The good news is, if you use airplay you can do lossless and gapless so a lot of headaches will go away.
I just wish they would have priced it a bit more agressive but isnt that the case with all their products
I did not 'invent' the 10 meters! Just read it, and passed it on.
And I think 10 meters would be enough - you probably won't go into the garden to control your 'stereo' located in your livingroom
As for the app - I would rather wait for it to be released, than to speculate about what it offers/or not offers.
Millemissen: And I think 10 meters would be enough - you probably won't go into the garden to control your 'stereo' located in your livingroom
Connect your 78's player to the line-in of the Essence-box, and hit 'Play' on the 'knob'....
....before you go into the garden.
Millemissen:Connect your 78's player to the line-in of the Essence-box, and hit 'Play' on the 'knob'.... ....before you go into the garden. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
jk1002: I think the prime use case for this is to set up a huge playlist in spotify and have that play as a default or pick an internet radio station. They stated "last" available source will play when the know is used to switch it on so Airplay is a no since that will shut off after a while of inactivity. Not sure how dlna will behave This thing is really just a jacked up playmaker with the knob and spotify connect on top. There is plenty of third party music player apps and the perfect thing that pulls everything together under one UI doesnt really exist - this would be probably too much to pull of for B&O
You’re probably right about Airplay shutting off after a while in combination with last available source. But a PlayMaker is as good as useless without Airplay. This ”jacked up PM” has direct access to dlna-server, i-radio and Spotify (with Connect). I really have to think hard, why I would need Airplay. Maybe to pull music from my phone, but that same music (and more) is also on your dlna-server. Maybe to go into a party mode, but only if you have more players.. Airplay is just a nice add to me. Not that important and probably will never use it.
Think about what it takes to start the Playmaker.. Open the tablet or phone, put in the unlocking code, find the app you want to use, push it with Airplay. So the concept of the Essence to start music, with just one touch playing the last available source is very nice, and a good selling point too. Even (some) dealers can do this! ;)
DoubleU: You’re probably right about Airplay shutting off after a while in combination with last available source. But a PlayMaker is as good as useless without Airplay. This ”jacked up PM” has direct access to dlna-server, i-radio and Spotify (with Connect). I really have to think hard, why I would need Airplay. Maybe to pull music from my phone, but that same music (and more) is also on your dlna-server. Maybe to go into a party mode, but only if you have more players.. Airplay is just a nice add to me. Not that important and probably will never use it. Think about what it takes to start the Playmaker.. Open the tablet or phone, put in the unlocking code, find the app you want to use, push it with Airplay. So the concept of the Essence to start music, with just one touch playing the last available source is very nice, and a good selling point too. Even (some) dealers can do this! ;)
What if I don't want to hear 'last played'? - then I would have to "open the tablet or phone, put in the unlocking code, find the (BeoMusic) app" and choose what to hear
Almost the same procedure as you described above being too complicated.
I often use AirPlay (for Spotify/WIMP Hifi, TuneIn Radio etc), and don't find it complicated at all. My iPad has no 'security code' (why should it?), and the apps that I mostly use with AirPlay are located at the 'fixed' buttom line. Pushing the AirPlay button isn't hard at all - I have to choose where to send the stream anyway (having more receivers on the network).
"This ”jacked up PM” has direct access to dlna-server, i-radio and Spotify (with Connect)" - what do you mean by 'direct access to DLNA servers'? And how should interacting with those work? How would you know that it has 'direct access to i-radio'. Support of Spotify Connect means that you can push a Spotify stream from one device to another (and that the stream goes direct to that device without using AirPlay). But you will have to initiate the Spotify stream somewhere (on a phone/tablet-thingy) anyway. That has nothing to do with having 'direct access to'.
The least part of the Playmaker used by me, is the DLNA part. DLNA is unreliable and has no support for 'gapless play'. None the less I occasionally use it to play the audio files from my NAS using PlugPlayer as the control point.
Approximately half of the time I use the line-in of the Playmaker (for my Squeezebox). So that is a very important part of the Playmaker in my case - especially because the Playmaker autosenses which of the three input are used. Easy peasy!
You may speak for yourself about the usability of the Playmaker. You should not speak in general - saying that it 'is as good as useless without AirPlay' (that you furthermore find too complicated). If you don't like it or need it, just forget it.
As for the Essence - again, I would not want to compare it (and the corresponding app) with the Playmaker untill it is launched - there are much too few details about it known by now.
That said - if you have some 'secret information' about the Essence and the BeoMusic app, please share them with us.
Greetings MM
Millemissen: What if I don't want to hear 'last played'? - then I would have to "open the tablet or phone, put in the unlocking code, find the (BeoMusic) app" and choose what to hear Almost the same procedure as you described above being too complicated.
First of all, where did I say it was complicated??? That being said, I’ll skip some of your comments.
I only compared the procedure to start the music. And yes, I excagarated a little to make my point. Off course you go to the app if you want different music. The remote is not that smart, is it? It's just appealing to me to start music, as easy as switching on the lights. I think it's a great selling point for many customers. Can't speak for others, though!
Millemissen: "This ”jacked up PM” has direct access to dlna-server, i-radio and Spotify (with Connect)" - what do you mean by 'direct access to DLNA servers'? And how should interacting with those work? How would you know that it has 'direct access to i-radio'. Support of Spotify Connect means that you can push a Spotify stream from one device to another (and that the stream goes direct to that device without using AirPlay). But you will have to initiate the Spotify stream somewhere (on a phone/tablet-thingy) anyway. That has nothing to do with having 'direct access to'.
With direct acces, I mean playing music straight from the source. Not depending on your wifi-network or tablet. Just read the first page of the specifications. Spotify Connect sounds pretty direct to me. Maybe you’re right about initiating the stream somewhere, don’t know, but when Connect is pushed, it’s direct. I-radio has to be direct. Otherwise the just touch advertising wouldn’t make any sense. Just reading between the lines of the pdf here.
Millemissen: Approximately half of the time I use the line-in of the Playmaker (for my Squeezebox). So that is a very important part of the Playmaker in my case - especially because the Playmaker autosenses which of the three input are used. Easy peasy! You may speak for yourself about the usability of the Playmaker. You should not speak in general - saying that it 'is as good as useless without AirPlay' (that you furthermore find too complicated). If you don't like it or need it, just forget it.
Well, I tried to speak in general. Not everyone (by far imo) is using the line-in to connect another player. If you do and use the line-in of your PM half of the time, then who is speaking for himself.
Millemissen: As for the Essence - again, I would not want to compare it (and the corresponding app) with the Playmaker untill it is launched - there are much too few details about it known by now.
Every connection of the PM can be swapped for the Essence. The Essence can do the same things as the PM. Why should we not compare?
Millemissen: That said - if you have some 'secret information' about the Essence and the BeoMusic app, please share them with us.
Honestly, I don't. I'm just excited about this product and hope to replace it with my Sonos.
I'll wait and see.
Maybe I'll replace my Playmaker with the Essence and the BeoMusic app?
Maybe not?
That is a decition I make, when I have experienced the Essence for real.
P.S. You could keep your Sonos - just connect the Essence-Box to the line-in of a Sonos Connect.
Then you'll have 'Essence-multiroom'.
Or connect the Sonos to the line-in of the Essence.
Then you'll have a 'Sonessence'
Millemissen:I'll wait and see. Maybe I'll replace my Playmaker with the Essence and the BeoMusic app? Maybe not? That is a decition I make, when I have experienced the Essence for real. P.S. You could keep your Sonos - just connect the Essence-Box to the line-in of a Sonos Connect. Then you'll have 'Essence-multiroom'. Or connect the Sonos to the line-in of the Essence. Then you'll have a 'Sonessence' MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
To you, perhaps?
Not everything have to be taken serious, MM.
It's a anagram, almost... Pretty funny!
OH - I realize it getting late (we have +1 hour here) - and doing/reading/writing multiple things at this hour isn't good. Pulled the trigger to fast.
Actually it was funny.....after reading it a second time
Greetings (and good night) Millemissen
DoubleU:Not everything have to be taken serious, MM. It's a anagram, almost... Pretty funny!
BeoBoy68:The BeoSound Essence will arrived the 14.04.2014 for my Birthday !
Too late for me... My birthday is the 13.04...
By the way, I could be called BeoBoy67, as I live in the 67 (France)
But let's get back to the topic...
diisign.com
I thought 68 was the age
Have the dealers already been briefed about the use of the Essence, or not?
I hear different things - some say yes, others no!
From what i have been told, the dealers have the Beosound Essence get strted Package which is a 8 page summery sheet. I think most dealers will see the Essence and app for teh first time in Belgium (think its next week).
Plus have been told they should be told more about the new tablet type device that sits between the beosund 5 and the Essence. This is due out in the summer.
Here we go go - 'the new tablet device' - yes!
And thanks for the info about the Essence - then we probably will know more after 'Belgium - next week'.
The app really is what interests me most - that will be 'essential' for the usability of the Essence (IMO).
Apparently B&O have been working with a new company for the app, so let's hope it's well thought out and works well.
The tablet like beosound I was told could have a wood back and be able to be used hand held or wall mounted. And again will work with the beomaster 5. But that is all I was told as don't think they knew any more.
I am hoping that the essence will be a good product as going to start renovating my house in the next 3 months so need to know if my speakercraft multiroom system will go back in or if I go for essences in the bedrooms for music!