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To Days The Day :-) The New Avant...What Do you Think Of It?

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Michael replied on Wed, May 28 2014 6:33 PM

Very bad manual for the floor stand and now it seems that my stand is wrongly produced. The aluminium plate has three magnets underneath itself and the floor stand has six "holes" sunken down into it that I guess the magnets should rest in. The problem is that the magnets is attached about 4 centimeters in to the plate from the edge and on the stand itself the holes are only a few millimeters from the edge.. So there is a few centimeters difference.. The whole plate seems warped too. Annoying... I am trying to see if I am thinking wrong but I can't see how.

 

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vikinger replied on Wed, May 28 2014 6:51 PM

My guess would be that the magnets and depressions have nothing to do with each other.

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Call your dealer for goodness sake. I put mine together, and believe i broke the 7-55 stand which is going to cost me £400!

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KMA replied on Wed, May 28 2014 7:06 PM
Michael:

Very bad manual for the floor stand and now it seems that my stand is wrongly produced. The aluminium plate has three magnets underneath itself and the floor stand has six "holes" sunken down into it that I guess the magnets should rest in. The problem is that the magnets is attached about 4 centimeters in to the plate from the edge and on the stand itself the holes are only a few millimeters from the edge.. So there is a few centimeters difference.. The whole plate seems warped too. Annoying... I am trying to see if I am thinking wrong but I can't see how.

If my memory serves me right, I read somewhere that B&O had to make last minute changes to the floor stand. Could it be that you have parts that are pre & post-change, and not compatible? I definitely hope not.

Maybe it's just a "bad manual", and somebody on this forum can help you with the assembly of the stand. That, or instructions from your dealer.

What comes to installation and setup, you seem to opt to what I always do with my new B&O toys: choose the joy of assembly & setup without a B&O installer. I guess there's a little engineer inside me, wanting to be hands on from the get-go. It's part of the fun of getting something new!

Hoping there'a a simple solution to the stand assembly issue... Out of curiosity, how much does the stand weigh? More than the Avant?

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vikinger replied on Wed, May 28 2014 7:19 PM

vikinger:

My guess would be that the magnets and depressions have nothing to do with each other.

Graham

On second thoughts that magnet looks perilously close to the gear position. How thick are the magnets? Is it obvious that they need to drop into something rather than just make contact with the cast iron base?

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Michael replied on Wed, May 28 2014 7:23 PM

vikinger:

vikinger:

My guess would be that the magnets and depressions have nothing to do with each other.

Graham

On second thoughts that magnet looks perilously close to the gear position. How thick are the magnets? Is it obvious that they need to drop into something rather than just make contact with the cast iron base?

Graham

Thats what is bothering me too! tThey seem to be glued in position and yes my dealer said they hade made last minute changes... But the floor stand in the store was apparently fine. I think I will have to assemble without the aluminum because Im going on vacation for two weeks and tomorrow is a holiday in sweden (....). After waiting for a week more for delivery and now this I can easily say Im not very happy right now. 

And it also say in the manual that you should have special service tools (which is not included). For example a skate thing to roll the tv and stand into right position. Now I will have to try and push it gently.

I like to fix things myself since I am also interested in it and my retailer didn't say that it would be this hard. Annoying day.. And when will I have time to fix things for my vacation? Probably never :D. 

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Michael replied on Wed, May 28 2014 7:31 PM

The plate can stay there for now I think but it is not flat. I want B&O to order a new one and install it for me so I won't have to bother with taking the tv off and the stand apart myself again. 

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KMA replied on Wed, May 28 2014 7:57 PM
Michael:

For example a skate thing to roll the tv and stand into right position. Now I will have to try and push it gently.

Don't move the setup once assembled by pushing! With Avant, B&O are very clear in that you should not move the assembled setup (floor stand with Avant) without removing the Avant from the stand. Trying to push the stand — let alone the Avant on the stand — might break both the stand and the TV.

At least have those soft floor protecting adhesives (you know, the soft round stuff you can attach to legs of any furniture) attached to the bottom of Avant's floor stand.

I have the protective soft adhesives underneath my BV11's floor stand, and it makes it easy to move the TV gently around. With the rubber feet of BV11's floor stand it would be impossible to move the TV.

Move the stand/setup with caution, Michael!

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KMA replied on Wed, May 28 2014 8:49 PM
Michael:

The plate can stay there for now I think but it is not flat. I want B&O to order a new one and install it for me so I won't have to bother with taking the tv off and the stand apart myself again.

Good call, and enjoy your trip to the US in the meanwhile.

Too bad the setup of the Avant did not go as smoothly as it should have. On the upside, your experience is something the rest of us can learn from.

Really looking forward to your impressions of the picture and sound! As things are now, I'm expecting to have my Avant in mid-June or slightly thereafter.

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Michael replied on Wed, May 28 2014 8:58 PM

Oh... I am happy now! Stick out tongueThe stand is not perfect - the aluminium is very much less quality than the plates on the back. I believe it is a prototype perhaps. It also has a signature which is very interesting Big Smile. The magnets seem far off and it is not flush with the stand itself. There are three magnets at wrong distance and it has to be replaced. There was also a shipping screw that there where no notice of but it was yellow and made the stand stand still Cool.

I have not eaten a lot today and I am quite tired so not a lot of photos today but I took pictures all trough out the installation process!

Sorry if I sounded a bit annoyed earlier. I was, but it was mainly because of the shipping company that was slow and of course due to the stand plate. The TV is amazing and I will look more at it now instead of trying to snap good pictures. 

I only have it connected quickly to my cable network (SD) but it looks really good! No external speakers connected now either but amazing sound. I will connect the other speakers when I come back from San Francisco! 

Heres a few pictures at least and a video Smile!

 
























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Daniel replied on Wed, May 28 2014 9:19 PM

Nice pictures! Getting mine next week, also rejected installation help. Fingers crossed!

Did you buy 3D glasses from B&O? Do anyone know if it's possible to buy another (cheaper) brand of the glasses?

 

 

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markiedee replied on Wed, May 28 2014 9:42 PM

Thanks Michael for the photos, the avant really is a thing of beauty. It definitely looks better in a home environment really loving the clean lines of the tv.

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KMA replied on Wed, May 28 2014 9:45 PM

Nice pics, Michael!

A suggestion: skip your trip to SF, stay home, and keep on posting pics and your impressions of Avant. We'd appreciate it!

(Just kidding).

For Avant: enjoy!

For SF: Have the best of time! Avant will be there when you return.

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Michael replied on Wed, May 28 2014 9:50 PM

KMA:

Nice pics, Michael!

A suggestion: skip your trip to SF, stay home, and keep on posting pics and your impressions of Avant. We'd appreciate it!

(Just kidding).

For Avant: enjoy!

For SF: Have the best of time! Avant will be there when you return.

Haha thanks Big Smile. I wish I could take better pictures (which I can do in daylight and with more energy in me [I am exhausted!]. 

My DSLR lens just gave up today so I am limited to my iPhone (or a 70-200 mm telephoto lens).

I have not bought any 3D glasses yet. That will have to wait! I think B&O´s are a little overpriced but the new version at least looks nice. I´ll look into it when Im back again!

Did you notice how the signature looks like Tue Mantoni? Could it be? Big Smile 

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Paul W replied on Wed, May 28 2014 10:30 PM

Hi Michael,

Well done with the Avant! I hope that you enjoy it for many, many years!

Have a great trip to San Fran. It's a magical place!

All the best!

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Michael replied on Wed, May 28 2014 11:11 PM

Paul W:

Hi Michael,

Well done with the Avant! I hope that you enjoy it for many, many years!

Have a great trip to San Fran. It's a magical place!

All the best!

Hi Paul! Thank you very much! Cheers Smile

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moxxey replied on Wed, May 28 2014 11:28 PM

Great photos Michael.

Just had confirmation today that my Avant should be installed on June the 10th. Sounds like it's going to be a reasonably longish job, too.

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markiedee replied on Wed, May 28 2014 11:47 PM

Well I'm sure when it's up and running it will be worth the wait moxxey, I'm very envious of you guys right now the avant has a really incredible picture and sound quality.

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Congrats to all you guys that have received or are waiting to receive your new Avant... a fantastic television. My BV9 arrived yesterday and is now set up with, Sky HD, an Apple TV and some BL9s. I am so happy and have been watching it non stop. It was definitely the right decision (for me). I will create a separate thread sometime soon for those that are interested to follow as the picture impresses me a lot for such an old Mark 1 television. In the meantime, do enjoy your Avant's and Michael, have a great trip to 'Frisco' and remember what you will be coming home to!

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Michael replied on Thu, May 29 2014 3:14 AM

Thanks all. 

I am now going to bed but first I´d like a few first impressions.

• The TV gets quite hot on the back.
• There is a few led lights (green and red, maybe other colors) inside the back that lights up and blinks. Some of them can be seen in darkness easy.
• The sound is really good.
• The interface is a little blurry so I think it is 1920x1080 and not 4K native (odd!)
• Tried 4K over HDMI from my MacBook Pro 15" Retina (Late 2013) and in that resolution the Beovision interface is not visible(!) as someone said before. 
• The new interface with a "shadow"-marker instead of gray is nice but the previous one was easier to see. And using skeumorphism instead of true elements (such as the old grey marker) is not always a good idea. 
• Looks easy to replace the speaker fabric and the aluminium plate. I could imagine a red fabric with a black aluminium plate would look nice!

I think it feels a bit odd that the TV seems to work in 1920x1080 mode and not 4K. Since the interface/gui is not available/visible in 4K (as of now at least) it makes it impossible to easily adjust settings or choose a source from the screen menu etc. I don't like this. I used the remote to change between picture modes and I think it did show a second of feedback but without the source (4K) shown at the same time. It looks like it does picture enhancement on 4K sources but I am not sure yet. 

Perhaps B&O need more time to make a GUI in 4K but I find it hard to believe. It might just be that the tv is not designed to work in "true" 4K "all the way". I want to find out more about this since it is very relevant. When using a connected Mac for movie playback of 4K or any other 4K source I want to be able to use the Beovision menu, see the volume, set sleep timer, watch the clock etc. Overlay on 4K sources is a necessity. This is the interface we are familiar with on these TV´s so it should follow through always!

 

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Flappo replied on Thu, May 29 2014 4:31 AM

That's the problem with 4k. Too ahead of it's time.

Quite literally nothing to watch on it , not even the tv interface !

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elephant replied on Thu, May 29 2014 5:34 AM

Michael I hope you enjoyed your sleep as much as we enjoyed the writings and the pictures.

Thank you so much for letting us experience some of your joy.

Enjoy SF (I agree it is a special place) .... are you going top Apple's WWDC ?   That would be very interesting if you were - perhaps you can become our roving reporter for all things digital Big Smile

Safe flight and happy times.

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Congratulations mate on the arrival (lol) of your new television.  Thanks for your honest feedback warts and all. Enjoy your trip and hello from Australia's Gold Coast (I too am travelling atm). 

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BeoGreg replied on Thu, May 29 2014 8:01 AM
That delivery story reminds me that,as an early adopter, I've been a B&O tester for BV10 with a tv swap and eleven interventions by a technician.

I wasn't the only one on this board for BV10 and we had one (at least) for BV11.

The good thing is that I have now a great working MK II or III BV11 (WISA), even if I prefered my BV10 picture on 90% of the time.

So if I ever get my hands one day on a 9.000 € CZ Avant I must thank by advance all the early adopters.

Thanks for taking the time for pictures Mickael and by the way what's the tv on the wall on your first pic ? (Looks like a B&O but it's not a BV10 11 or 12 !).
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Marcello replied on Thu, May 29 2014 8:28 AM

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Thanks for taking the time for pictures Mickael and by the way what's the tv on the wall on your first pic ? (Looks like a B&O but it's not a BV10 11 or 12 !).

Judging from the "bump" in the bottom center border, I'd say a Samsung.

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Judging from the "bump" in the bottom center border, I'd say a Samsung.

Nice, thanks. Looks like an alu polished frame.
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Raeuber replied on Thu, May 29 2014 1:48 PM
The new Avant is a superb TV. But regarding 4K it's only a beginning because it has only a 4K panel. So at the end of the day when 4K will be standard like HD today the early adopters of the Avant will have so many external devices connected to the Avant: Settop boxes, devices for upscaling and/or Bluray players like OPPO.

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Michael replied on Thu, May 29 2014 1:59 PM

The old one is a Samsung D8005 55" TV (D8000 in USA). I like it very much and I actually think it makes a better job upscaling SD content but I haven't had enough time to look really. 

I am not going to attend WWDC personally but I am going to be close to WWDC and be at Apple headquarters. I am an Apple geek by heart!

I just realized that I can now watch TV nicely from my kitchen Big Smile (ignore the PC´s - spring cleaning)



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Flappo replied on Thu, May 29 2014 2:56 PM

I have to say it does look nice now , the grille seems much less obtrusive

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vikinger replied on Thu, May 29 2014 3:12 PM

Flappo:

I have to say it does look nice now , the grille seems much less obtrusive

I agree.

I take back my comments likening it to a Bose WaveRadio front. I guess those early pictures were from an angle that showed the internal structure of the fret that you don't actually see in practice.

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Michael replied on Thu, May 29 2014 3:33 PM

I just found a dead/or defective pixel on the left side while trying to get fingerprints of the screen. Guess it's only visible on close sight. Hope so :).

I don't think the grill is annoying either, you get used to it quickly.

However my mind can't stop thinking about replacing the black fret with a red, blue or green fret. Wow that would look awesome. And I will probably do this myself if B&O won't offer the choice SmileBig Smile.

The sound is quite good! In movies the sound is really full. I sold my old Yamaha subwoofer and I don't even miss it but I will probably add a beolab sub or other speakers.

Now I have two bl8000 fronts and two bl penta, bl6000 or another pair of  bl8000 as possible rear speakers (none connected now).

Perhaps a pair of beolab 9 would be better than a subwoofer & bl8000 etc?

Bl5 would be cool but too expensive now.

I love the look of beolab 8000 so I don't want to leave them out really. 

Here´s a picture from cable tv (SD content), the funny movie Zoolander in a little sunlight. 

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Michael:

I am not going to attend WWDC personally but I am going to be close to WWDC and be at Apple headquarters. I am an Apple geek by heart!.

Please do ask the guys over there at the HQ how many of them have B&O gear at home.

I have heard, that it should be quite a few.

Have a safe trip.

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Paul W replied on Thu, May 29 2014 3:55 PM

There's a full page advert for the Avant in the new issue of Conde Nest Traveller magazine right next to the editors welcome. (Issue: July 2014). Beautiful magazine!

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Michael replied on Thu, May 29 2014 4:06 PM

Millemissen:

Michael:

I am not going to attend WWDC personally but I am going to be close to WWDC and be at Apple headquarters. I am an Apple geek by heart!.

Please do ask the guys over there at the HQ how many of them have B&O gear at home.

I have heard, that it should be quite a few.

Have a safe trip.

MM

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I just saw in the Beoremote one settings that there is a setting for allowing "IR reception". I read this as two way communication. 

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Flappo replied on Thu, May 29 2014 4:18 PM

As much as I love Apple , it's a shame Jony Ive won't acknowledge his design debt to bno

He harps on about that guy who designed for Braun , but nothing about David Lewis

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olvisab replied on Thu, May 29 2014 6:51 PM
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Is it possible to use another center speaker with this new avant.

Could you please check if we have some choice in selecting the center speaker ?

Thanks

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moxxey replied on Thu, May 29 2014 7:02 PM

Paul W:

There's a full page advert for the Avant in the new issue of Conde Nest Traveller magazine right next to the editors welcome. (Issue: July 2014). Beautiful magazine!

Just received the July issue today. Agree with you. I have it in my bag - off to Cyprus tomorrow :)

The Avant advert Is in most magazines this month. Seen it a few times now. Looks like B&O is investing heavily in marketing recently.

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Is it possible to use another center speaker with this new avant.

Could you please check if we have some choice in selecting the center speaker ?

Thanks

With the new 'sound engine' in the new BV's you can make any speaker act exactly as the speaker you want it to.

I suppose you can disable the built-in speakers of the Avant and connect a BL7-4 or a BL10 as the center, if you please.

But...are you sure you want to do that?

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olvisab replied on Fri, May 30 2014 8:52 AM
Millemissen:

With the new 'sound engine' in the new BV's you can make any speaker act exactly as the speaker you want it to.

I suppose you can disable the built-in speakers of the Avant and connect a BL7-4 or a BL10 as the center, if you please.

But...are you sure you want to do that?

MM

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Thanks MM for your answer

A 7.4 or 10 no, but a 7.2 probably.

I hope that if the center speaker is unactive, he doesn't appear at all. Otherwise it will look strange.

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Hiort replied on Fri, May 30 2014 10:18 AM

olvisab:

I hope that if the center speaker is unactive, he doesn't appear at all. Otherwise it will look strange.

I´m quite sure that the centerspeaker is one kit together with the left and right (that are the ones that "expands"). So no separate movement for the center.

Or did you mean that the whole speaker kit should remain hidden, if a centerspeaker is connected? Then you would loose the left and right as well.

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