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I would consider a setup with 0 speakers and a lot of blanks to improve the room acoustics for my bl 5s.
kimchr: I would consider a setup with 0 speakers and a lot of blanks to improve the room acoustics for my bl 5s.
In which case why not just order some acoustic tiles? https://www.architonic.com/en/product/troldtekt-design-solutions-rhomb/1399247
Ban boring signatures!
Don't forget to order the small Bang & Olufsen badge then ;-)
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: Only place in my home for the Shape would be the ceiling - would be a nice option, I think! MM
Only place in my home for the Shape would be the ceiling - would be a nice option, I think!
Thinking about it - I might be able to find a piece of wall for it/a small version....
....if my wife only would agree to remove the picture already there ;-)
Must admit, I quite like these and it's good to see B&O doing something a bit different, instead of yet another uninspiring portable speaker!
Unfortunately, as my speaker tastes are more towards the "it's not the speaker; it's the packing crate it came in" end of the size and ugliness spectrum, I'm unlikley to purchase any, but I sincerely hope it sells well.
LOVE the idea.
LOVE the look.
HATE the price. It's a joke. You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
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BeoLab 18's. Beolab 3's. A8. A9. A2. H7.
Nice to combine with some Kaleido plates from HAY (also from Denmark)
Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
How can you know - did you already listen to it?
And if yes, in which configuration?
You'll need at least 4 speakers, the amp (and the Core) to have the BOW (Band On the Wall) effect.
With the smallest possible configuration - amp and two speakers you could make a 'normal' stereo setup...
....using the Core as the source center (or any BeoSound for that matter).
With a modern BV you could even assign a speakers role to it - as you would normally do for a tv setup.
There are a lot of possible configurations - I find this very promissing.
In my understanding - for the moment (hmmmm!) they focus on the scaleable configuration for presenting the BOW effect for (more or less) beckground/easy listening, which is a new approach to living with music.
Sandyb:Think people are making judgements based on the demo posted on Vimeo.....did seem as if you needed more than a basic configuration to match an A9 from what I remember....anyway will be interesting to see how many dealers have good sized configurations vs just a basic one for customers to try....
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
Sandyb: Elsewhere he did mention that one core is required for each 4 speakers....
Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: HATE the price. It's a joke. You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less.
A lot of money for a mono speaker system. And the looks have to fit in your house.
Not a very new idea, already some brands tried this configuration for a cooking plate.
"Believe nothing you read and only half of what you see, let your ears tell you the truth."
Millemissen: Millemissen: Only place in my home for the Shape would be the ceiling - would be a nice option, I think! MM Thinking about it - I might be able to find a piece of wall for it/a small version.... ....if my wife only would agree to remove the picture already there ;-) MM
"Jakob sait that it takes a BeoSound Shape with 8 speakers to match the BeoPlay A9"
I think this kind of comparison is just useless...
A wall of mono-speakers won't ever produce the same sound, the same feeling (power is not everything) as a pair of stereo-speakers, as it will be different from a 360º BS1/2.
How many Beosound 1/2 is needed to match a pair of Beolab X/Y ?
How many Beoplay/Beolit Ax/Sy is needed to match a Beoplay A9?
I didn't saw this kind of comparison (from B&O !) before the Shape/this thread...
It's just "a new approach to living with music" as MM stated.
CB:"Jakob sait that it takes a BeoSound Shape with 8 speakers to match the BeoPlay A9"I think this kind of comparison is just useless...A wall of mono-speakers won't ever produce the same sound, the same feeling (power is not everything) as a pair of stereo-speakers, as it will be different from a 360º BS1/2.How many Beosound 1/2 is needed to match a pair of Beolab X/Y ?How many Beoplay/Beolit Ax/Sy is needed to match a Beoplay A9?I didn't saw this kind of comparison (from B&O !) before the Shape/this thread...It's just "a new approach to living with music" as MM stated.
For very large hotel and commercial installations I think that this system will be a great success (assuming the pricing to be palatable).
Using TrueImage the assumption is that there will be clear background music wherever you sit or stand, and speech or public announcements will be clear without echo effects. There is no need to worry about accommodating very high volumes or low frequency bass because bands bring their own equipment to dances etc.
The system will be easy to reconfigure for new effects during redecoration, and the panels will be easily replaceable if damaged or new colours required.
The overall effect is a bit 1970’s in appearance, but that's the current trend in a lot of design.
But for a home system? Not for me. I stick with simple stereo.
Graham
OK, we have the new Cubes...
Looking forward for the reincarnation of Beovox 5000 (maybe the coming Beolab 50?) and of course BL/BS 5000 Combo ...
Vintage Bang & Olufsen
jowus:MM, I think, your wife will tell you to trade in your System for this!
These (four) paintings were made by my wife - and actually I like them, too.
It is much more the question of finding another good place for them i the house....
....which I will have to work on ;-))))
P.S. When I showed her the BS Shapes she was taken from the idea of being able to co-decide how a soundsystem should look in your own home.
However, I said nothing about my wish for replacing her paintings - I guess this will take a bit longer....
....which is ok, since - in my case - the costs have to be considered too (= starting to save for it).
It won't be available untill this fall, anyway!
BeoNut since '75
KMA: It's more than just a set of mono speakers, due to TrueImage processing. The video of the demonstration to press by B&O gave some interesting insights.
It's more than just a set of mono speakers, due to TrueImage processing. The video of the demonstration to press by B&O gave some interesting insights.
Exactly!
Those, who think - or even write - that this is 'a mono system', either haven't considered or realized, what modern DSP controlling of sound/amplifiers/speakers is able to.
They haven't understood (or maybe decided not to understand) what the Acoustic Department in Struer has been working on for several years = the TrueImagage processing.
What (partly) could be achieved (in a basicly physical way) with the acoustic lenses (in terms of having a more consistent stereo image for more listeners) can nowadays be reached using clever DSP technology (and some times more drivers).
I expect this technology (TrueImage) to evolve and to be a main component in any future speaker product from Bang & Olufsen.
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As for the discussion of how many drivers needed to 'match' the A9.
Jakob was asked, and I suppose that - with his answer - he meant from a sound pressure level view.
If you have a smaller room, 4 speakers will be good, if you have a bigger rom, you'd probably need more.
The A9 can play quite loud (without having to turn down the bass using the ABL funtion) and it wll sound very good even in a bigger room.
Whereas a setup of BL3 will be better for a smaller room, where you usually won't play at the same SPL.
elephant:It could go on this wall in our home ... provided I could get the cloth of each hexagon printed with images of our paintings and / or grandchildren/ children otherwise, much as *I* like it I don't think *we* will be getting it BeoNut since '75
elephant:It could go on this wall in our home ... provided I could get the cloth of each hexagon printed with images of our paintings and / or grandchildren/ children otherwise, much as *I* like it I don't think *we* will be getting it
That wall surely need some 'DSP compensation' ;-))))
But your idea is not bad at all - why nor have the tiles display different motives, photos (if you want that).
It was and is possible with the BS8/A8 and with the A9, so why not with the Shapes tiles!
Millemissen: As for the discussion of how many drivers needed to 'match' the A9. Jakob was asked, and I suppose that - with his answer - he meant from a sound pressure level view.
@KMA
I guess, only Jakob can answer that question, so.
....Jakob where are you ;-)
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When there could be a Q&A, I'd like to ask about the amp and the Core used:
As I have understood it, the amp tile contains the 'Audio Engine' as well as the actual amps (?)
Petros described in the video, that the Core can be exchanged in the future, when/if there is a need for a different/more powerfull source center.
This would mean, that the 'TrueImage upscaling' takes place in the amp. Petros said that, when you have replaced the Core (with a new version), your system would be up and running instantly. This would be nonsence, if your constallation was done and saved in the Core!
Would also be nice to know, if you momentary can disable the (TrueImage) upmixing for the setup and this way have a pure stereo setup.
This could be usefull in certain situations, when you need that 'one man, one chair' sound experience ;;-)
If the Core (aka BeoSound Core) is 'just' the source center, it could be utilized in other constallations as well - replacing an Essence or even as the sound system for a set of BL5's (in BEO4 mode) via the SPDIF-out....?
I guess a lot of the Beoworlders want to be prepared for how to use these new products.
I fully understand the need for B&O to present the new product/s as they just did - focusing on the unity of the products and the BOW functionality - and the design.
But there is a lot of potential here - we want to know how to best use it/them....
....maybe even integrating it/them with our existing products.
How to use a modern BV as source center for the Shapes would be nice to explore.
Maybe one or more smaller configurations could be used as front right/left or as surrounds, since the audio engine in the BV's gives us the opportunity to assign the channels as we like/need it.
Maybe you could even integrate one or more Receiver 1's in one of the tiles, when connecting to a WiSA product?
jowus:On my take, they should've made it BeoLab instead of BeoSound, they can sell more of BeoSound Moment or Essence with it. This could've jump the sale of the Sound Systems.
Millemissen: Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker: You're better off buying an A9 and wall mounting it as it will sound much better and cost less. How can you know - did you already listen to it? And if yes, in which configuration? MM
Based on everyones hands on with it so far. The base model has no punch and little base to it. Sure you can DOUBLE the configuration but at that point you can also get 2-3 A9's and the A9's will still sound better.
KMA:I hope they make a Transmitter Tile for adding a wireless subwoofer (BL 19) to this.
I doubt it. Only because the whole point of these speakers is to have speakers in your place without LOOKING like you have speakers. The second you have a sub on the floor it defeats the whole purpose.
Personally I like your idea though.
Severed_Hand_of_Skywalker:I doubt it. Only because the whole point of these speakers is to have speakers in your place without LOOKING like you have speakers. The second you have a sub on the floor it defeats the whole purpose.