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Hi Bob,
I used to own a business that catered to the auto enthusiast and one thing that I learned over the years is you can tell an awful lot about a person’s character just by the car they like.
True this is stereotyping and there will always be exceptions, but by and large people who like German cars tend to be perfectionist, inflexible, and demanding. Those enjoying Italian cars are fun loving and don’t take life very seriously.
Then you have the group that likes British cars, these folks are nurturers, patient, and forgiving….. they HAVE to be because they own a British car.
The sociology of auto stereotyping gets much more precise, for instance there is a HUGE difference in those who like Mustangs verses Cameros, but this is the wrong discussion for this forum.
Vintage electronics do resemble humans with all their frailties or British cars with their quirks and endless charm….. your choice. My Beomaster 4500 is entering this sort of phase in its life as I mentioned here yesterday.
Since I seem to be stuck here on a car theme in a B&O forum, I might as well end on a car note. Remember how I had such a terrible day and my Check Engine light came on like frosting on a cake? Well it was self-inflicted.
I was taking my 14 year old Mercury to a British Car meet/banquet and I didn’t want to show up with a less than “perfect” car, so I cleaned, polished, waxed, and detailed the car from bumper to bumper, this included the engine compartment and I managed to knock off a vacuum hose in the process of cleaning which a day later triggered the Check Engine light. I put the hose back and $29 later, the Ford dealer pronounced my car fixed.
Jeff
Beogram 4000, Beogram 4002, Beogram 4004, Beogram 8000, Beogram 8002, Beogram 1602. Beogram 4500 CD player, B&O CDX player, Beocord 4500, Beocord 5000 T4716, Beocord 5000 T4716, Beocord 5000 T4716, Beocord 8004, Beocord 9000, Beomaster 1000, Beomaster 1600, Beomaster 2400.2, Beomaster 2400.2, Beomaster 4400, Beomaster 4500, Beolab 5000, Beomaster 5000, BeoCenter 9000. BeoSound Century, S-45.2, S-45.2, S-75, S-75, M-75, M-100, MC 120.2 speakers; B&O Illuminated Sign (with crown & red logo). B&O grey & black Illuminated Sign, B&O black Plexiglas dealer sign, B&O ash tray, B&O (Orrefors) dealer award vase, B&O Beotime Clock. Navy blue B&O baseball cap, B&O T-shirt X2, B&O black ball point pen, B&O Retail Management Binder
Very interesting thread, this.
Have any of you had the chance listening to a Beolab 5000 integrated amplifier?
I think it surpasses anything else I have at present. And it is the only (à la Piaf) B&O amplifier I did absolutely nothing to. I got it for a measly sum of money and it runs on all its original components. What a musical and dynamic amplifier!
Currently listening to Schubert Trio #2 on a valve Revox G36. Thoroughly enjoyable!
And don't forget it's the only B&O that has fully regulated power output stages!
Jacques
Hello Jeff,
I know what you mean ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, trust me I do,,,,,,,,,, and therefore I've used the car analogy already started here - play it safe and all that
Firstly I'm glad that despite being owner of GTO you seem fell into German category , but even more am I pleased it only cost you $29 to figure it out
I was once called in (while working for all city electric in Chicago) to emergency with light switch and some $160 later the owner was confronted with the fact that his over pool light does have pull switch as well indeed and it was nothing wrong with 2 or 3 wall switches and dimers himself and others tried to fit or the wiring leading to the fixture, but internal switch someone removed the pull cord off
I dread to learn where I will fall with no car (and only looking at it as a machine capable of transporting me from A to B, cheaper, safer and reliable the better of course) but had love affair with few Mercedes during my (solid stage of ) life to be frank and of course look at nice car does not offend me...
keep them coming and all the best
bob
Piaf: Hi Bob, I used to own a business that catered to the auto enthusiast and one thing that I learned over the years is you can tell an awful lot about a person’s character just by the car they like. True this is stereotyping and there will always be exceptions, but by and large people who like German cars tend to be perfectionist, inflexible, and demanding. Those enjoying Italian cars are fun loving and don’t take life very seriously. Then you have the group that likes British cars, these folks are nurturers, patient, and forgiving….. they HAVE to be because they own a British car. The sociology of auto stereotyping gets much more precise, for instance there is a HUGE difference in those who like Mustangs verses Cameros, but this is the wrong discussion for this forum. Vintage electronics do resemble humans with all their frailties or British cars with their quirks and endless charm….. your choice. My Beomaster 4500 is entering this sort of phase in its life as I mentioned here yesterday. Since I seem to be stuck here on a car theme in a B&O forum, I might as well end on a car note. Remember how I had such a terrible day and my Check Engine light came on like frosting on a cake? Well it was self-inflicted. I was taking my 14 year old Mercury to a British Car meet/banquet and I didn’t want to show up with a less than “perfect” car, so I cleaned, polished, waxed, and detailed the car from bumper to bumper, this included the engine compartment and I managed to knock off a vacuum hose in the process of cleaning which a day later triggered the Check Engine light. I put the hose back and $29 later, the Ford dealer pronounced my car fixed. Jeff
Don't worry - be Happy
First please know that my first car was a Pontiac GTO NOT a Ferrari GTO…. Reality was bad enough for a 16 year old kid, the Ferrari would have killed me, or I it, your choice.
And no, I do not fall into the German car category, having never owned a German car in my life. My love is first British cars, almost ANY British car, followed by American luxury and muscle cars of the sixties. (Pontiac GTO and Oldsmobile 442, I had both)
I used to put on a car club show every year and I organized it by marque and county or origin. The French clubs were together and severed a lot of cheese and wine, the American clubs tended to play music and loud, while the German clubs flew the German flag and generally snarled at one another: “BMW is better than Porsche….. and nothing can touch a Mercedes-Benz.” Made for a great international show.
that's not what I meant, (being Mr perfect and all that) - you don't have own German car to fall in the stereotypes outlined , saying that the CD4500 thread proves you're also human , I'm part German by blood so there's no escape for me , if you ever seen Bob Marley type of German...
I love cars, but even more motorcycles - there is just not place and money to do both ;)
I never accused you of having Ferrari, despite you make the impression - you could if you really want to , and show good taste
As I said very early - I'm not driven by materialistic believes and don't feel the need accumulate wealth and worry about it (I know that many poor will gladly adopt it as excuse ) and in fairness I realize that I don't really belong to "exclusive B&O club" , golf club, or cricket team, but I practice the golden rule and generally wish everyone success or wealth which may go with it.
I have friend back in South Carolina whom used to own Mustang Viper and used to go with his brother race his SS and there is something very special about American muscle cars and all what goes with it Shall we start talking about trucks (and I mean tractor/trailers not pick ups) I will melt like snowmen in spring.
Bob
Piaf: Hi Bob, First please know that my first car was a Pontiac GTO NOT a Ferrari GTO…. And no, I do not fall into the German car category, having never owned a German car in my life. My love is first British cars, almost ANY British car, followed by American luxury and muscle cars of the sixties. (Pontiac GTO and Oldsmobile 442, I had both) Jeff
First please know that my first car was a Pontiac GTO NOT a Ferrari GTO….
I am part German to, and that is important to me, but apparently not in automobiles.
I didn’t think you accused me of anything, but if you like, PLEASE accuse me of owning a Ferrari. I never have and never will own one, but I like the idea. A 250LM would be very nice.
If we are dreaming about cars a Hooper two-door Silver Spur would be nice. I wouldn’t mind a Carmague, but such are the fabric of dreams. A Bentley Continental R would also be nice.
One thing I DO object to is your saying that you do not belong to this B&O club, as clearly you are very much at home here. I can not speak for the cricket team or the golf club, but you appreciate B&O products, that is enough for admission here.
Have you tired polo? (Sorry, that was a joke.)
What do you think of Indian and Ducati motorcycles? They are my favorites.
Piaf: Hi Bob, I am part German to, and that is important to me, but apparently not in automobiles. I didn’t think you accused me of anything, but if you like, PLEASE accuse me of owning a Ferrari. I never have and never will own one, but I like the idea. A 250LM would be very nice. If we are dreaming about cars a Hooper two-door Silver Spur would be nice. I wouldn’t mind a Carmague, but such are the fabric of dreams. A Bentley Continental R would also be nice. One thing I DO object to is your saying that you do not belong to this B&O club, as clearly you are very much at home here. I can not speak for the cricket team or the golf club, but you appreciate B&O products, that is enough for admission here. Have you tired polo? (Sorry, that was a joke.) What do you think of Indian and Ducati motorcycles? They are my favorites. Jeff
agreed it sure doesn't (I been messing with your sociological stereotypes only )
I very much like Indian (despite having what some my friend call "mobility scooter" BMW K100 for daily use and Ex-Police K1100LT patiently awaiting my return to garage and finish restoration (strangely one get less messed up working on B&O's, electronics and computers in general..... ) , but not to keen on Ducati, even though I recognize their achievements and beauty - just for unknown reasons doesn't appeal to me
Thanks for that - I make everything my home, that's why I felt like fish in the water living in States, and to admission, paying the fee doesn't hurt neither
I've tried water polo, but horses kept on drowning
cheers
Hey Bob,
A fish out of water in the states, where did you live, if I may ask? The US is a very big country and it most certainly is not all the same. I was once best man at a wedding in Pine Bluff, Arkansas and let me tell you that would not be a place I’d like to visit twice.
As for your water polo, horses do swim, you know. But better still to have played with the Swedish woman’s water polo team.
Hi Guys,
Well my all-original Beomaster 2400 continues to defy the passage of time and what one should expect from a vintage Beomaster of this age and just DELIGHTS…. DELIGHTS!
The same can not be said of my much admired Beomaster 4500.
For some time now I have noticed hints of “discomfort” emanating from my Beomaster 4500.
First it was the treble end of the spectrum, but now the bass distorts to such an extent that it sounds like the woofer is ripping apart.
The final stage is screeching that is actually quite frightening.
Now if I am playing the Beomaster at a moderate level, say 45 on the volume scale, the sound is exquisite, at least when the Beomaster first begins playing. I mean the sound is truly beautiful. Not perhaps in the same league as when this Beomaster was in top form, but beautiful none the less.
However if I turn up the volume, the sound disintegrates. The Beomaster 4500 can handle volume level 70 briefly, but in minutes the distortions begin and if the volume is not turned down QUICKLY, it turns truly ugly.
Needless to say I know to keep the volume down, and I also know that a rebuild is clearly in order, but I would really like to know what is actually going on and what to expect.
Perhaps more importantly, am I best advised to pack this Beomaster away until I am in the position to have it rebuilt?
Hi Jeff,
I can understand what you're saying, I've been to places I wouldn't want to be in first place as well, ,,,
My home was in little town in KY just of Il border,but now I'm in Britain (near to end of the world)
yeah I hear horses can swim - never really grow to like them (despite growing up on farm) , what cannot be said about Swedish water polo team although it may be to much for my cocky ticker to handle
all the best
P.S. I'm sorry to hear about your problems with your Beomaster - to me it sounds like "No go" and would have look at it (stop using it as it clearly doesn't get you much joy)
Piaf: Hey Bob, A fish out of water in the states, where did you live, if I may ask? The US is a very big country and it most certainly is not all the same. I was once best man at a wedding in Pine Bluff, Arkansas and let me tell you that would not be a place I’d like to visit twice. As for your water polo, horses do swim, you know. But better still to have played with the Swedish woman’s water polo team. Jeff
My mother was from Covington, KY just across from Cincinnati, OH.
As for my Beomaster 4500, at this point I have a morbid curiosity as to what it will do next. I truly miss the incredible sound it formally made, but time has caught up with this amp and it clearly is crippled.
As long as I don’t push the volume much beyond 50, the Beomaster 4500 does a respectable job and mated with the S120,.2 speakers it even now produces a MUCH more complex sound as compared to either my Beomaster 2400 or BeoCenter 9000.
If I want volume I know not to ask the Beomaster 4500 as it just can’t do it [in the extreme]. So if I want to be bombastic, liking the remote I go for the BeoCenter 9000…. But if I really “need” sound there is nothing in my collection like the McIntosh 2255 and its 500 watts mated to the Linn Isobaric speakers. Funny how I never really appreciated them until I started comparing them to the rest of my collection.
As a side note since my family does not always appreciate my blasting away I have discovered that the truly unfortunate Beomaster 4400 NOW likes to pump out the bass and with it sequestered to the dining room, I can close the door and not really annoy anyone. The 4400 remains unstable and how it sounds today will be different tomorrow, however it has been on a bass kick for some weeks.
Piaf: Perhaps more importantly, am I best advised to pack this Beomaster away until I am in the position to have it rebuilt?
It would be a shame to pack this beauty away. Perhaps you should just stop using it until you can have it rebuilt?
Piaf:My mother was from Covington, KY just across from Cincinnati, OH.
A brilliant city. I have passed through Covington an immeasurable number of times over the years.
Beo4 'til I die!
Hi Steffen,
My knowledge of electronics is fairly close to zero. I asked the question as I do not know if using this Beomaster 4500 in its present condition might potentially harm other components.
That said, at this point I have an EXTREMELY clear idea of what this Beomaster can not do and have no inertest in pushing it beyond its limits.
If played at a moderate level of 50 or less, it “appears” to be fine, the sound quality while no longer stellar, remains clearly superior to either my Beomaster 2400 or BeoCenter 9000. As such I enjoy the music it provides so unless things deteriorate OR if one (or more) of our electronic mavens tells me it is best not to use it, then I leave it unplugged.
After all the Beomaster 4500 “was” my favourite amplifier until it began having these issues. I wouldn’t want to damage it in any way.
Hi Evan,
Why brilliant? The airport is in Covington so I landed there attending a car meet in Cincinnati, Ohio. I only saw a few areas of the city, but nothing struck me as extraordinary. Perhaps I owe the town another look.
Evening Jeff,
I just enjoy the visuals driving through I suppose. I haven't been through in a while, but I will be on the 19th or so. I remember it most for the very striking building called the Ascent. I always like stopping in the area for dinner on my way out of town.
Evening Evan,
From your greeting may I assume you are a southerner?
The only time I was in Covington was about 26 years ago and honestly I don’t remember it looking anything like that. I fear I wasn’t paying attention, that or the city has really changed.
I think I am more of a northerner even though I was born in Tennessee. I live in Columbus right now, attending school. Previously lived in Missouri and before that Indiana and Michigan! I'm from all over.
But yes, the town is beautiful. I suggest going to the next car meet in Cinci and grabbing a nice set of wheels for a tour.
My mum was born in LA, but we're home in Paducah KY (I'm not now - that's for sure )
I don't even dare to tell you that totally different story is my end...
My BC3500 is over the moon with finished S3702's (thanks to good O' Martin and refurbished original woofer) - they're now hanging on the wall in living room (which I'm turning upside down at the moment on last leg of remodelling - our very distant neighbours will appreciate the amount of mineral wool I'm putting into the walls and floors - I'm sure) and oh boy what a lovely tandem that is
The sound coming out of it (and recorded from BG CD4500 to AKAI reel2reel with use of its EQ and Dolby Noise reduction - sounds even better than direct from CD) even on eleven (if you've ever seen spinal tap ;)
Working hard on re-modelling, refurbishing our living room (will shift the dining bit into now office and when I get the BM4500 of Lesslie it'll be the home for 4500 system) and to create B&O dedicated entertainment centre with my beloved Avant 32 in the middle and BC8500 above it in addition to the B&O vintage corner already done.Photos will follow, if you interested.
All the best
P.S. I'm absolutely certain you get it sorted and if you haven't got anyone dedicated to work at it - get in touch with Soren Mexico ;), he's very passionate about it and very good "mechanic" (as he call himself), beside it will gave us the chance buy some stuff, otherwise lost in Mexico
Piaf: Hey Bob, My mother was from Covington, KY just across from Cincinnati, OH. As for my Beomaster 4500, at this point I have a morbid curiosity as to what it will do next. I truly miss the incredible sound it formally made, but time has caught up with this amp and it clearly is crippled. Jeff
Good heavens, and there was me thinking I'm "gypsy" here....
Lived in SC, Il and KY and at the capacity of Truck driver and later on instructor had the privilege to travel across almost all the states (it's hard to travel to Hawai and I would love to go Alaska and do some ice road trucking, but those days are over )
Beside that I travelled through all continents (apart from Ozz & South Americas) in former project manager capacity
Evan: I think I am more of a northerner even though I was born in Tennessee. I live in Columbus right now, attending school. Previously lived in Missouri and before that Indiana and Michigan! I'm from all over. But yes, the town is beautiful. I suggest going to the next car meet in Cinci and grabbing a nice set of wheels for a tour.
Interesting capitol building you have in Columbus. Every time I looked at it, from my point of view, it just screams for a dome…… sort of looks like it was designed by committee or they ran out of money.
You know, I understand that this is a B&O forum and although truly off the subject, since I am critiquing the Ohio legislature my all time favorite capitol buildings (note plural) resides in Tallahassee, Florida.
The old Florida legislature building was an incredibly small building, but with a bit of old world southern charm. None the less the decision was made to replace it with a vastly larger structure with two covered domes and a tower in the center.
The plan WAS to build the new building around the old capitol building and then when the new structure was basically ready to tear down the old one. Everything was well designed to connect once the original building was demolished.
Well that didn’t happen and typical politicians once everything was ready they changed their minds and instead restored the old capitol building. Now all the hallways are hallways to nowhere as nothing in the front of the new capitol building connects.
Obviously the mention of Columbus hit a cord which took me to Tallahassee…. So back to the world of bang & Olufsen.
I wouldn’t call you a Gypsy, let’s just say well traveled and having driven a truck through the lower 48, I am quite sure this description fits.
Bob,
Yes pictures please!
Bob:P.S. I'm absolutely certain you get it sorted and if you haven't got anyone dedicated to work at it - get in touch with Soren Mexico ;), he's very passionate about it and very good "mechanic" (as he call himself), beside it will gave us the chance buy some stuff, otherwise lost in Mexico
There are good repair shops in the US, I dont know any other in Mexico that collect vintage, the B&O shops here only sells equipment and no spares, but nothing gets lost in Mexico, I save everything, and what comes to Mexico, stays in Mexico.
As of calling myself a mechanic, I am a Danish educated Machinist, educated in the times where this education was done by Masters and took 4 years to finish, later on I made my Master in Germany, (Maschinenbau Meister), I am today a "do it all yourself" as in Mexico there are no craft man educations.
I repair small appliances, refrigerators, washing machines etc. etc., I install complete kitchens, lay floors and build walls, install and build windows, do plumbing and water works, I do all electric house installations myself, so maybe I should change my title to Repairman Soren.
All that I do out of necessity not because I like it, my work is repairing printing machines (mechanical, hydraulic and pneumatic) the bigger the better. I have been repairing or installed machines in more then 50 countries, I have made 3 complete around the globe trips, I have been north of the Polar circuit (Karasjok, Norway) and in Cape Town within one week, I have never been to Australia or New Zealand.
Nearly forgot, my hobby is vintage B&O and cooking.
Collecting Vintage B&O is not a hobby, its a lifestyle.
Evan: Piaf:My mother was from Covington, KY just across from Cincinnati, OH. A brilliant city. I have passed through Covington an immeasurable number of times over the years.
The nicest people in the world live in Covington, KY.
Evan, like me, is neither Rebel or Yank. We are Midwesterners.
Hi Søren,
Your life is simply BEYOND impressive! A true world traveler.
It was clear from the beginning that your lack of hesitation in just jumping into a vast electronic project like your Beomaster 4400 required a broad and comprehensive understanding of electronics, which you most certainly have.
You also appear to posses a boundless enthusiasm for this type of work and this is only to your credit.
I am your exact opposite (except for the enthusiasm) in that I am totally intimidated by B&O equipment. Just opening up a unit is a big production and always full of surprises…. It takes me forever to get things right as I am fearful of damaging something, even with the shop manual in hand.
As such I read your updates with genuine awe.
Rich: Evan: I think I am more of a northerner even though I was born in Tennessee. I live in Columbus right now, attending school. Previously lived in Missouri and before that Indiana and Michigan! I'm from all over. But yes, the town is beautiful. I suggest going to the next car meet in Cinci and grabbing a nice set of wheels for a tour. Evan, like me, is neither Rebel or Yank. We are Midwesterners.
Hi Rich,
Ah yes the Mid-Westerner, a breed apart. Here in Canada they are folks from the Prairie….. and my entire extended family is from the Prairie.
Mid-Western I understand as I spend a good many years visiting St. Charles, Illinois and the infamous Fox River. Nice part of the world and really good people….. a little standoffish until you get to know them, but that’s OK.
Oh my I knew there was more to you than anticipated - Handyman it's title used in USA and a keeper to
We have more similar past than I ever thought possible .... Cannot wait to pay you visit sometime when in US (would love someone to cook for me for a change )
I see now how your collection keep growing - strictly one way is it?
I didn't meant any harm - you've said in other thread - I'm mechanic not a businessman and I thought you're more than that
Søren Mexico: .................................................................. but nothing gets lost in Mexico, I save everything, and what comes to Mexico, stays in Mexico. I repair small appliances, refrigerators, washing machines etc. etc., I install complete kitchens, lay floors and build walls, install and build windows, do plumbing and water works, I do all electric house installations myself, so maybe I should change my title to Repairman Soren. All that I do out of necessity not because I like it, my work is repairing printing machines (mechanical, hydraulic and pneumatic) the bigger the better. I have been repairing or installed machines in more then 50 countries, I have made 3 complete around the globe trips, I have been north of the Polar circuit (Karasjok, Norway) and in Cape Town within one week, I have never been to Australia or New Zealand. Nearly forgot, my hobby is vintage B&O and cooking.
.................................................................. but nothing gets lost in Mexico, I save everything, and what comes to Mexico, stays in Mexico.
Søren is a remarkable gentleman with remarkable talents. Apparently Søren is also modest not needing to “blow his own horn.” This is an admirable trait!
Changing the subject, today my Beogram 4002 crapped out on me and it is entirely my own fault. The poor thing has been making protesting noises when the arm returns to the rest position and today it just made noise, the arm didn’t pickup and I had to manually select pickup and the return. Even then the motor wouldn’t stop until I hit STOP.
I believe it needs lubrication BAD and possibly a new belt. I will address this on Sunday.
I be happy to put some one, once finished - it still be while and they will go to "flash Gordon" or something..........
b
Piaf: Bob, Yes pictures please! Jeff
, are you sure we're talking about same Søren, Jeff
Let me know how did it go with your BG 4002 (I also need get good liquid bearing sometime soon, but been consumed by the work here, no time for projects - B&O that is , but need to finish and clear the table; BC3500 for repair is coming in few days )
I never blow my own trumpet - i hire orchestra to do that for me .....
Have great day
P.S. give Martin shout about your belt ;)
Piaf: Hey Bob, Søren is a remarkable gentleman with remarkable talents. Apparently Søren is also modest not needing to “blow his own horn.” This is an admirable trait! Changing the subject, today my Beogram 4002 crapped out on me and it is entirely my own fault. The poor thing has been making protesting noises when the arm returns to the rest position and today it just made noise, the arm didn’t pickup and I had to manually select pickup and the return. Even then the motor wouldn’t stop until I hit STOP. I believe it needs lubrication BAD and possibly a new belt. I will address this on Sunday. Jeff
Ah yes, the Beocenter 3500. I could perhaps help, having battled with mine two years ago...
Do keep us informed in a new exciting thread!
You bet I be picking y'all brains and beating on Martins door constantly ;) thread will follow as there are 3 (inclusive my virgin own one) lined up to date
P.S. 1st question - what liquid bearing did you use for yours?
chartz: Ah yes, the Beocenter 3500. I could perhaps help, having battled with mine two years ago... Do keep us informed in a new exciting thread!
Bob:P.S. 1st question - what liquid bearing did you use for yours?
I use this one (Ebay)
Revox capstan oil Isoflex PDP65. The best.
Thanks Soren and Jacques.
I've seen the one on eBay ;)
The Beogram 4002 repair was almost too easy….. THIS time.
The belt-driven wheel that moves the tonearm had come loose and was making ungodly noises. Aligned and secured, the 4002 is back in proper form.
As for the oil, I am sure that the products offered will do a great job, but I use sewing machine oil which has kept my Beogram 4000 happy for years.
Had I known about these potentially better products, I would have purchased them. But as they say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The sewing machine oil is thick and stays in place well.
Piaf: Hi Bob, The Beogram 4002 repair was almost too easy….. THIS time. Had I known about these potentially better products, I would have purchased them. But as they say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. The sewing machine oil is thick and stays in place well. Jeff
Good, good - I think I'll get the Revox oil Jacques recommends, although its more liquid bearing than oil in general I'm after....
P.S. UK is bit behind with so many products I've to pay ungodly money for "proper products" to be shipped from home here (such Novus polishing products)
The Revox oil is certainly a good choice.
I also like Novus products and have one of their excellent kits. Came in REAL handy when my Beogram 4002 arrived with the platter loose and sliding all over the dustcover. Talk about a mess!