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Sandyb: That was the question I posed (I think) a few weeks ago - no mix and match is not a great outcome, when using WISA. Especially when it comes to the Rollable - the massive box speaker is therefore unusable in a 5.1 setup. Less of an issue for the C,E,G,W series I guess, but still not perfect.
That was the question I posed (I think) a few weeks ago - no mix and match is not a great outcome, when using WISA.
Especially when it comes to the Rollable - the massive box speaker is therefore unusable in a 5.1 setup.
Less of an issue for the C,E,G,W series I guess, but still not perfect.
The W serie also have a soundbar that would be in the way. Very strange that they have not released a Wallpaper without sound yet.
For the W and R serie it could be relevant, but who would have two Beolab 17 and then use the sound from the C/E serie?
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The issue with the W and R series is that the sound part of those TV's is also the connected centre, so they have to be present.
And secondarily, it looks like the LG WISA implementation is all or nothing - i.e. when you plug in the WISA dongle, all channels have to go to WISA speakers, and the TV's native speaker is not available as one of those channels.
That matters less with a C8 for example, where the included sound is pretty marginal anyway.
@ Millemissen.
You do not need to think about me. I've always wanted separate center speaker for individual choice.
Millemissen: Sandyb: Less of an issue for the C,E,G,W series I guess, but still not perfect. The only perfect thing would be to have a Sound Center, that - as we know it - can mix and match wired and wireles/WiSA outputs... ....or an updated BV Eclipse 😉 After that comes the big question: will people want to pay the price for that? MM
Sandyb: Less of an issue for the C,E,G,W series I guess, but still not perfect.
The only perfect thing would be to have a Sound Center, that - as we know it - can mix and match wired and wireles/WiSA outputs...
....or an updated BV Eclipse 😉
After that comes the big question: will people want to pay the price for that?
MM
Forget the TV and the long-term value will be OK, but add reliable sound-sync capability and mounting solutions. I think this is the best solution for Customers AND B&O. It seems so logical and possible if B&O even want to be in that business anymore?
The next thing I think about is Dolby Atmos a fashion phenomenon as 3D. Because then it's not good that processors are in the TV. It's cheaper to switch a Surround receiver.
poodleboy: Millemissen: Sandyb: Less of an issue for the C,E,G,W series I guess, but still not perfect. The only perfect thing would be to have a Sound Center, that - as we know it - can mix and match wired and wireles/WiSA outputs... ....or an updated BV Eclipse 😉 After that comes the big question: will people want to pay the price for that? MM Forget the TV and the long-term value will be OK, but add reliable sound-sync capability and mounting solutions. I think this is the best solution for Customers AND B&O. It seems so logical and possible if B&O even want to be in that business anymore?
Indeed, and interesting that its not quite as obvious from forum members that their first choice is actually a new BV, but more the sound centre the solution that you allude to.
Compared to all the back and forth when the Eclipse came out, I do think there has been a shift / general acceptance that the BV value proposition is harder for many to justify (more so than in the past).
Much as I've said I'd like a new BV, part of that is symbolic. And if I move up to a 77 inch OLED (next likely move), I can't possibly imagine buying a 77 B&O OLED.
Sandyb: Much as I've said I'd like a new BV, part of that is symbolic. And if I move up to a 77 inch OLED (next likely move), I can't possibly imagine buying a 77 B&O OLED.
I wonder how much you (and others) are willing to ‘compromise’ in terms of usability (reada Beoremote for all functions...), integration in NL, design etc just to get a (less expensive) screen part that you could swap every second year or so?
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen: Sandyb: Much as I've said I'd like a new BV, part of that is symbolic. And if I move up to a 77 inch OLED (next likely move), I can't possibly imagine buying a 77 B&O OLED. I wonder how much you (and others) are willing to ‘compromise’ in terms of usability (reada Beoremote for all functions...), integration in NL, design etc just to get a (less expensive) screen part that you could swap every second year or so? MM
That is indeed a fair point, as often words and actions don't exactly correspond.
I don't underestimate usability at all.
As and when I change my setup - I suspect I'll only keep my BL speakers, and use something like the new Linn Selekt DSM (which is due to have surround sound added, and 5.1 is enough for me). Subject to how it behaves, the compromise in usability may be offset by having a better music experience, it being a very high end streamer / DAC, and Roon capable, which is something I'm keen to fully explore (subject to cost).
The 3rd party TV remote will be able to do the basics with Apple TVs / Blu-Rays.
So there's plusses and minuses.
Multi-room TV audio is the only permanent loss - and could still swing me back towards a B&O heart.
But no hurry, am happy to see what comes out.
LG's OLED TV 2019. You could utilize Amazon Alexa for a wide range of help options.
There is support for Apple AirPlay 2, HomeKit. As with AirPlay 2, you can play videos from The Tunes library, as well as enjoy videos, music, photos from your Apple devices via LG 2019 TV.
With regard to HomeKit, you can control the TV using the Home app or, if you wish, just by asking Siri.
So what are you missing.
Bang & Olufsen is missing also providing WiSA compatible all-in-one models. Upwards playing devices on the speaker upper surface, which conveys sound to the ceiling from the Dolby Atmos sound track.
Millemissen:You should never let the 'lady' decide which TV to buy ..... it rarely goes well MM
When I chose this, I also had to pay myself. So when the lady chooses a LG TV where the screen rolls up / down.- she must pay.
LG's new tv launched in the second quarter of 2019.
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They have become quite late. LG customer service tells that the come to England within a month.
Wow one can only be fascinated by this LG wireless The surround kit can move so much air.
Sandyb:I'm sure a separate center channel will look lovely on top of the rollable OLED box.
Apple AirPlay 2, HomeKit. As with AirPlay 2. Noticed in it.
Millemissen:I wonder how much you (and others) are willing to ‘compromise’ in terms of usability (reada Beoremote for all functions...), integration in NL, design etc just to get a (less expensive) screen part that you could swap every second year or so? MM
I have been very happy with my B&O for many years. But it does not help when B&O does not deliver one up to day tv, not even from LG. New electronics, new times on the TV front. So when I'm forced to a TV switch, I go all the way. If it is 'cheaper' and better, then it is just fine.
So....I can conclude that you are willing to compromise.
According to your above post - so much that there is no B&O left at all!
It's a question of whether you come and buy my B&O store in the basement.
Here speaker setup changes if the WiSA - 5.1 speakers are to be activated.
(Her BeoLab is not used) LG's TV speaker becomes disconnected. According to what was to be written. All LG-2019 models will receive WiSA integration.
Peter Pan:Here speaker setup changes if the WiSA - 5.1 speakers are to be activated. (Her BeoLab is not used) LG's TV speaker becomes disconnected. According to what was to be written. All LG-2019 models will receive WiSA integration.
This has been covered before I'm sure.
With the new LG TV's using the WISA dongle means that a centre channel WISA speaker is required - i.e. the WISA dongle implementation will throw all 5.1 channels to wireless / WISA speakers. You can't use the LG TV's own speaker as the centre, and WISA speakers for the rest - its not mix and match.
@ steve1977It is time to move on - BeoVision 7 gave us optional Center speaker. It will be the same now if you choose a WISA dongle. But have you some alternatives if you want to use the BeoLab Speaker ? Next point is an active wireless center speaker from B&O does not exist, and will probably never come, what we have so hard to accept. We here on the thread, we know one day MUST find an alternative to our BeoVision TV. - - What do you want to do steve1977 ?
Patience young Skywalker....
Absent future Beovisions, as seems highly likely, there will be ways to do 5.1 with a 3rd party screen and a bunch of BeoLabs.
Option 1 ? You'll be waiting a long time for this, I would suggest.
Option 2 is pretty likely, from what I understand from B&O.
If option 2 was around today, I'd get one of the OLED models without already separate sound bars - otherwise you'll be doubling up on a centre unit, and the picture quality is the same in the step down model. So an LG E series, not the wallpaper or rollable, or the Panasonic 800, not 952, and so on and so on...
The current LG WISA implementation goes no way to replicate the audio processing / distribution capability of current Beovisions.
But something will come from B&O, more or less in line with your option 2.
Thanks for answering steve1977
My wife and I have fallen in love with LG roll TV in 55 ". With WiSA 5.1 connection. Then there will be plenty of time to wait for a wireless center speaker from B&O.
LG are introducing crystals sound on a few of their TV's as well, from what I remember from CES.
They don't do the Wallpaper in 55, what make you so sure the rollable will be sized down to 55"?
Hint - they won't.
I’m also pretty sure that the won’t do it in 55”.
Peter Pan (and his wife) will have to stick to his good old BV7-40 forever 😧
I am looking for latest 55'' LG (non rolling) oled.i'll rather roll something much cheaper and relaxing
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Sandyb:They don't do the Wallpaper in 55, what make you so sure the rollable will be sized down to 55" ?
LG-TV-OLED65R9 - is just the first. When implemented, it will rollable be 55" next. This has always been the case.
Indeed, and as I've said before, dreams are not real.
Focus on the evidence.
And yes, the rollable, like the wallpaper are extremely premium offerings from LG - as such, they are very unlikely to make a 55 inch (i.e.more everyday) version. It will follow the same path as the Wallpaper, i.e. larger sizes only.
If they offer different sizes, it will be very very far down the road.
And its more a standalone product being multi channel in itself, and coming with a large box.
Adding an additional centre channel just ruins the look.
The Wallpaper was not the right choice to integrate in a 5.1 set up, given its form factor...and the rollable will be the same.
Get an E series LG for a 5.1 setup, or a Panasonic 800 OLED (without its speaker blade) - the higher models have speakers that don't make a great deal of sense in a 5.1 setup with BeoLabs.
But hacks will be hacks I guess.
Sorry, where do I buy a Wallpaper 55 inch?
Thought not.
Even the G series was never offered in 55 inch.
So clearly not "always the case". I know we're in a post truth world, but honestly......
So. yes, it's certainly not impossible, but precedent suggests extremely unlikely, at least not for the foreseeable future.....
The problem is that if the rollable is very successful, they'd consider a wider implementation - but it will be so expensive, they won't really be able to tell.
They sell very few Wallpaper versions - their customer base is historically not at the very very premium end.
And therein lies the problem.
Here's a summary -
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And?
Says nothing to suggest there will be a 55 inch.
Again, you say its "always like that", when it clearly hasn't been.
The WISA implementation was not quite what you first thought - I did question at the time whether the dongle implementation would require a separate centre channel, and I was right.
I strongly suspect I will be right on the size issue - a rollable 55 inch is coming no time soon, if ever.
You never answered the question (not that I am surprised) of why there was no 55 inch Wallpaper, or even G series.......
Peter Pan:LG-TV-OLED65R9 - is just the first. When implemented, it will rollable be 55" next. This has always been the case.
I hope it will be so, before or late.
Sure, nothing wrong with hope I guess.
Your posts suggest certainty though.
And LG's history of reserving their niche or premium models / form factors for 65 / 77 inches, suggests this hope is misplaced.
The probability is pretty low, though not zero of course.
And lets not forget the price - the 65 inch rollable will be no less than 10k, which is expensive if the speaker part can't easily be part of a 5.1 setup and a separate speaker / av processing unit is required. Better to get an E series and then build out from there.
As I've said before, its designed as a stand alone multi channel product.