ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
Razlaw:No incredible light fixture. But large windows with the sun shining in and perhaps reflecting off of a granite table. Here are a couple pictures as you requested.
trackbeo:Thank you!!! I have never seen an "integrated light fixture" like that. (Oooh -- lights!-) Very SleekChic! Again thanks.
Beolab 28s Beolab 9s Beolab 12-3s Beolab 1s Beolab 6000s 2 pairs Beolab 4000s Beovision 7-55 Beovision 10-40 Beoplay V1 32 inch Beovision Avant 32 inch Beosound 1 (CD player) Beosound 3000 Beosound 5 Core Essence MKII Beoplay M5
Carolpa: Audio:I have a compatibility question regarding Beosound 35? Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?(as expected) only "Airplay" is displayed on the Halo
Audio:I have a compatibility question regarding Beosound 35? Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?
Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?
Many thanks for the quick feedback.
Too bad!
I hoped the BeoRemote Halo could be alternative display for me, because the Besound 35 display does not show the Airplay meta-data.
mbolo01:Talking about dependencies, B&O should start by fixing the App that cannot start without internet access while WiFi connected to the domestic network .... we would then be able to control and enjoy our products and services which don’t need internet to work, headsets included (I have an open case with them and a video showing it) BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
ngnear:It is out of B&O s control if a particular service disappears.
Sandyb:are there other brands whose home audio gear can still work with home WiFi but no internet?
Hmm, not sure, but then I dont think I have your expertise in architecture
My guess is / was that the app when it starts up goes via the internet to look at what products are registered and gather some information there, and moves on down the chain from there.
Hence, no internet, the products that the app "remembers" cannot be verified because it cant go via the internet and confirm them.
So my guess is that the architecture has bit to do with this, though I'm sure a fix is possible.
There ends my wild and barely intuitive speculation!!
mbolo01: Sandyb: are there other brands whose home audio gear can still work with home WiFi but no internet? I think we are facing a stupid bug here more than a by design behavior. The app starts when in Plane mode .... fortunately for travelers using a numbered expensive headset.
Sandyb: are there other brands whose home audio gear can still work with home WiFi but no internet?
are there other brands whose home audio gear can still work with home WiFi but no internet?
I think we are facing a stupid bug here more than a by design behavior.
The app starts when in Plane mode .... fortunately for travelers using a numbered expensive headset.
Audio:I hoped the BeoRemote Halo could be alternative display for me, because the Besound 35 display does not show the Airplay meta-data.
Sandyb:Agreed...though, and this is a question, are there other brands whose home audio gear can still work with home WiFi but no internet?
[Edit: But you asked about devices. I fear this will be an ongoing battle: On the one side, we have the Apple "lock it down hard" ethos: You must verity that you are the owner of the account, the same account as each & every device you can talk to locally, and all must report with their code-signed, and recently re-authenticated, IDs. How else can you guarantee that your August Smart Lock isn't going to open the front door when someone sneaks their own HomePod onto your network? On the other side, we have the "but it's only entertainment" ethos: Any speaker within range should be able to tap-to-join. If you allow it, any device within range should be able to play on any Bluetooth or Airplay speaker, and any remote can control any speaker in the house. But because B&O supports Google Voice Assistant, they may have to veer into the lock-it-down camp. There was a good reason for having separate Beoplay and BeoSetup Apps: to support this laissez-faire attitude toward entertainment, only adding & deleting devices deserved IDs & Internet access (except for streaming services of course).]
Sandyb:I dont think I have your expertise in architecture
Audio: Carolpa: Audio:I have a compatibility question regarding Beosound 35? Is somebody able to test, if the new BeoRemote Halo is showing the meta-data (e.g. title name, album name) when streaming via Airplay to a Beosound 35?(as expected) only "Airplay" is displayed on the Halo Many thanks for the quick feedback. Too bad! I hoped the BeoRemote Halo could be alternative display for me, because the Besound 35 display does not show the Airplay meta-data.
Does this mean, that the BeoRemote Halo will show the Airplay metadata for all other compatible B&O device (e.g. Beoplay A9)?
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lawrencejmcook:Gracenote hasn’t disappeared. Spotify connect hasn’t disappeared. B&O has simply chosen to remove those services from products that their customers had already bought and paid for.
Spotify connect hasn’t disappeared.
B&O has simply chosen to remove those services from products that their customers had already bought and paid for.
...and all that is "fine". (no, not really)
But that is what's driving my decision as a customer. So I won't be buying a Halo, even if I can afford it as an impuls buy. Let's see how this waiting game works for B&O, how many disappointed ex-customers they can afford before they collapse. Enthusiasts can't run brand's profitability.
steve1977:This is a very exciting setup! You are using the essence like a light switch for music. Brilliant!
This is not my idea, that is literally the phrase B&O used in their flier to describe the Essence Remote: "A light switch for music."
steve1977:Before i now order so many essence remotes, help me understand a few things please: * How did you wall-mount it? Did it require you to drill holes into the wall or did you find some less destructive way?
* How did you wall-mount it? Did it require you to drill holes into the wall or did you find some less destructive way?
If you buy the wall-mount version it coms with a plate that uses two relatively small screws for mounting. I can't imagine double-sided tape would hold up but I suppose you could try. There are some 3M mounting strips (Known in the USA as "Command Strips") that work quite well and might work for this. But honestly patching the wall if you moved it wouldn't be much different than patching the wall if you move a framed piece of artwork.
The desktop versions are of course trivial to move around. So if you buy one of those to start you could get a feel for the product without picking a permanent mounting location.
steve1977:* Does the essence support all NL devices?
It doesn't use NL, so it doesn't support NL devices per se. It's primarily a Bluetooth remote (BLE 4 I believe), with an IR mode available for legacy devices. I'm not sure but I *THINK* all NL systems AFTER the Moment have Bluetooth capabilities and will support it. I have to control my Beosound Moments in IR mode, which it does have available for older devices. (Yes, the Moment's tablet is detachable and could be moved to the dining table, but I'm afraid of spilling food or drink on it, and frankly it's much nicer to have an unobtrusive table remote that does everything I need.)
I will also note that the device uses a standard Bluetooth protocol for audio control, so if your computer has Bluetooth, you can use a remote to control your computer volume. Very cool!
steve1977:* Can i start / stop all speakers from one remote? And also start / stop just one speaker with a different “touch”?
You can stop all speakers by holding down the "stop" (bottom) button for about 5 seconds. I use this just about every day. What's particularly clever is that you don't even need to use a remote linked to a device that is playing. For example, if the music is playing in the bedroom I can stop it by long-pressing the remote in the kitchen or living room even if those rooms aren't playing music.
I'm not aware of any way to start all speakers from a remote, and I don't believe there is a way control any speaker other than the speaker the remote is paired to. In other words, if I want music on all the speakers I either need to walk around the house touching the top of all remotes, or I need to open up the app and use the multiroom feature to join each device.
steve1977:* I like to play via airplay to one speaker and then distribute to others via the NL feature (via join or the b&o app). How does this work in combo with the essence? For example, i airplay to device xxx and then join device yyy via the essence. If i now pause device xxx, does device yyy still play?
I never use AP, because I just prefer the way NL works. (My experience is that startup is faster, I can switch back and forth between iPhone and iPad for control, and if I reboot my phone the music doesn't stop.) But I did just try what you said and can give you tentative results: It works great! I started music on my phone and then used AP to send it to the bedroom. I walked to the kitchen and used "Touch to join" to pull in the stream - it starts up almost instantly. I then walked to the bedroom and "stopped" the bedroom using the bottom button on the remote. Music stopped immediately but kept playing in the kitchen. I opened the AP control on my phone and it appeared that the Beosound Essence (Mk II box, not Essence Remote) was smart enough to mute the music in the bedroom so the kitchen could keep playing the AP stream.
The only other note is that I'd say the remotes work mostly as expected but not quite as flawlessly as I would expect a wired system to work. That's because in order to have a 9-month battery life the Bluetooth needs to go into low-energy modes and it can take a moment to wake back up. So if for example I want to turn the volume up a little with a remote I haven't touched in a day, I'll probably start turning it down slowly until I hear the volume change, then ramp it back up to the target volume. This is because it can take as long as a few seconds to reconnect after sleeping, and you can get unexpected leaps in volume if you go up before down.
All in all I think the Essence Remote is a spectacularly useful product, and can't give it a high enough rating. When I got my first Essence box it was so I could use the essence remote to control some Beolab 6000s I picked up used for $250 USD. (I had been running them off my PC beforehand.) I though it was a bit crazy to spend $1250 for a streamer and remote to control $250 of speakers, but if you look at the list of items in my signature you'll see that it was only the beginning of a very expensive obsession. I can easily say that without the Essence remote I would only own the Beolab 6000s and wouldn't have purchased any of the other things in my signature.
Get yourself an Essence remote. You won't regret it!
Sources: 2x Beosound Moment • 4x Beosound Essence Mk II Speakers: 3x Beolab 8000 • 2x Beolab 6000 • 2x Beolab 3 • 3x Beolab 2 Integrated: 1x Beosound 2 • 1x Beosound Level • 4x BeoPlay M5 • 1x BeoPlay A6 Control: 16x* Essence Remote • 1x Beoremote Halo
* Yes, really! 🤦♂️
ngnear:I don’t believe B&O just chose to remove the services. If I recall correctly there were changes to the T&C’s that they couldn’t or wouldn’t comply with.
laseralex:Get yourself an Essence remote. You won't regret it!
lawrencejmcook:And how did they compensate their customers for removing the service they were sold?
laseralex: steve1977:This is a very exciting setup! You are using the essence like a light switch for music. Brilliant! This is not my idea, that is literally the phrase B&O used in their flier to describe the Essence Remote: "A light switch for music." steve1977:Before i now order so many essence remotes, help me understand a few things please: * How did you wall-mount it? Did it require you to drill holes into the wall or did you find some less destructive way? If you buy the wall-mount version it coms with a plate that uses two relatively small screws for mounting. I can't imagine double-sided tape would hold up but I suppose you could try. There are some 3M mounting strips (Known in the USA as "Command Strips") that work quite well and might work for this. But honestly patching the wall if you moved it wouldn't be much different than patching the wall if you move a framed piece of artwork. The desktop versions are of course trivial to move around. So if you buy one of those to start you could get a feel for the product without picking a permanent mounting location. steve1977:* Does the essence support all NL devices? It doesn't use NL, so it doesn't support NL devices per se. It's primarily a Bluetooth remote (BLE 4 I believe), with an IR mode available for legacy devices. I'm not sure but I *THINK* all NL systems AFTER the Moment have Bluetooth capabilities and will support it. I have to control my Beosound Moments in IR mode, which it does have available for older devices. (Yes, the Moment's tablet is detachable and could be moved to the dining table, but I'm afraid of spilling food or drink on it, and frankly it's much nicer to have an unobtrusive table remote that does everything I need.) I will also note that the device uses a standard Bluetooth protocol for audio control, so if your computer has Bluetooth, you can use a remote to control your computer volume. Very cool! steve1977:* Can i start / stop all speakers from one remote? And also start / stop just one speaker with a different “touch”? You can stop all speakers by holding down the "stop" (bottom) button for about 5 seconds. I use this just about every day. What's particularly clever is that you don't even need to use a remote linked to a device that is playing. For example, if the music is playing in the bedroom I can stop it by long-pressing the remote in the kitchen or living room even if those rooms aren't playing music. I'm not aware of any way to start all speakers from a remote, and I don't believe there is a way control any speaker other than the speaker the remote is paired to. In other words, if I want music on all the speakers I either need to walk around the house touching the top of all remotes, or I need to open up the app and use the multiroom feature to join each device. steve1977:* I like to play via airplay to one speaker and then distribute to others via the NL feature (via join or the b&o app). How does this work in combo with the essence? For example, i airplay to device xxx and then join device yyy via the essence. If i now pause device xxx, does device yyy still play? I never use AP, because I just prefer the way NL works. (My experience is that startup is faster, I can switch back and forth between iPhone and iPad for control, and if I reboot my phone the music doesn't stop.) But I did just try what you said and can give you tentative results: It works great! I started music on my phone and then used AP to send it to the bedroom. I walked to the kitchen and used "Touch to join" to pull in the stream - it starts up almost instantly. I then walked to the bedroom and "stopped" the bedroom using the bottom button on the remote. Music stopped immediately but kept playing in the kitchen. I opened the AP control on my phone and it appeared that the Beosound Essence (Mk II box, not Essence Remote) was smart enough to mute the music in the bedroom so the kitchen could keep playing the AP stream. The only other note is that I'd say the remotes work mostly as expected but not quite as flawlessly as I would expect a wired system to work. That's because in order to have a 9-month battery life the Bluetooth needs to go into low-energy modes and it can take a moment to wake back up. So if for example I want to turn the volume up a little with a remote I haven't touched in a day, I'll probably start turning it down slowly until I hear the volume change, then ramp it back up to the target volume. This is because it can take as long as a few seconds to reconnect after sleeping, and you can get unexpected leaps in volume if you go up before down. All in all I think the Essence Remote is a spectacularly useful product, and can't give it a high enough rating. When I got my first Essence box it was so I could use the essence remote to control some Beolab 6000s I picked up used for $250 USD. (I had been running them off my PC beforehand.) I though it was a bit crazy to spend $1250 for a streamer and remote to control $250 of speakers, but if you look at the list of items in my signature you'll see that it was only the beginning of a very expensive obsession. I can easily say that without the Essence remote I would only own the Beolab 6000s and wouldn't have purchased any of the other things in my signature. Get yourself an Essence remote. You won't regret it!
Thanks for such a long and helpful response, much appreciated! Very clear now this works.
How long are the screws and do you screw them directly into the wall or need to use one of these plastic anchors?
steve1977:How long are the screws and do you screw them directly into the wall or need to use one of these plastic anchors?
i think the screws are around 1” long. No anchors.
laseralex:i think the screws are around 1” long. No anchors. 2x Beosound Moment 4x Beosound Essence Mk II 3x Beolab 8000 1x Beolab 6000 1x Beolab 3 3x Beolab 2 4x BeoPlay M5 1x BeoPlay A6 9x Essence Remote
Rudi Pedersen: Does anyone know how to control sources on the Halo.
Does anyone know how to control sources on the Halo.
Maybe by unchecking Qplay as a local source in the relevant product configuration ? Like for B&O app
Just checked out the video and have two more questions how the Halo works:
1) Does it pause or mute devices? For example, what happens when I "tap" on the Halo a lead speaker or a speaker wiithin the group?
2) How do the favorite works? Are they per device or overall? Can I pick a DLNA source as favorite? Or are the sources limited to GVA commands (same as the BS1)?
Rudi Pedersen:Well, it is disabled in the setup of the Essence, but still shows up
Is Qplay shown as a source when you look through the B&O App?
mbolo01:Is Qplay shown as a source when you look through the B&O App? BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
Rudi Pedersen:But Line-in is shown on the App despite it is disabled
ngnear:I would certainly use nylon wall plugs in a brick or concrete wall. Plasterboard needs special wall plugs or there is a danger of the screws working loose after time.
I have had all of mine mounted to plasterboard with screws and no plugs for years without the slightest hint of trouble. I don't think plugs are needed at all.
I see that the rumored champagne anodized finish is being used for the BeoGram 4000c. I wonder if we'll see a BeoRemote Halo in champagne in the near future. That would be nice.
MrAndersen:First up, I'm glad that you are keeping us on our toes, keep it coming! 1 bug in a released product is 1 bug too many. If I must defend us a bit (and I must), some things are just not found until the products are in the hands of many users. What we try to do is to react as fast as possible and get the fixes on the street. 1 day after launch I think is OK in terms of speed, I can never be faster than you guys though. You seem to have it the day the boxes arrive in the store That said we should definitely be better at testing with end-users before launch to prevent as many bugs as possible to be let out into the world. It is hard and resource heavy, but we have a group looking at it. Happy testing, and as I said, keep it coming good or bad. Best regards Thomas, Bang & Olufsen
I’d like to see the Halo remote be able to control the Avant 55, it has NL and is on the same network so can’t see why it can’t do it?!
Beoplay M3, Beosound 1, Beosound Balance, Avant 55, BeoVision 7-40 with BeoLab 7.2, Beosound Stage with LG CX and some headphones
laseralex:I have had all of mine mounted to plasterboard with screws and no plugs for years without the slightest hint of trouble. I don't think plugs are needed at all. 2x Beosound Moment 4x Beosound Essence Mk II 3x Beolab 8000 1x Beolab 6000 1x Beolab 3 3x Beolab 2 4x BeoPlay M5 1x BeoPlay A6 9x Essence Remote
Dont hold your breath, it will a long time (perhaps never), that the Halo will control the Avant/
Its a music remote after all, and while the Harmony and Eclipse (because of their in built sources I think, and / or their AP capability), its perhaps not surpassing that the Halo can control them.
Of course, the app can control the Avant, so the question is understandable.
But I wouldn't expect anything soon, at least not in the next 6 months.
suneetjulka: I’d like to see the Halo remote be able to control the Avant 55, it has NL and is on the same network so can’t see why it can’t do it?! Beoplay M3, Beosound 1, Beosound Balance, Avant 55, BeoVision 7-40 with BeoLab 7.2, Beosound Stage with LG CX and some headphones
AnalogPlanet: ...and all that is "fine". (no, not really) But that is what's driving my decision as a customer. So I won't be buying a Halo, even if I can afford it as an impuls buy. Let's see how this waiting game works for B&O, how many disappointed ex-customers they can afford before they collapse. Enthusiasts can't run brand's profitability.
I totally agree. Lets wait and see if the BeoRemote Halo will be the next product in a long row that is discontinued before the software is working as promised. To be a Beta Tester with the risk to end up with electronics scrap, B&O is too expensive for me.
Best regards - Dyssegaard
Living room: Beovision Eclipse 55, Beolab 3 / R1 (back), Beolab 2 / R1 (sub), AppleTV 4K. Bedroom: Beovision 11-40, AppleTV 4. Home office: Beoplay M5. Kitchen: Beoplay M5. Travel: Beoplay H8, Beoplay A1. NAS: WD My Cloud Home / Plex DLNA Server.
Dyssegaard:and sw-versions have been updated as well.
Dyssegaard:I have noticed that B&O have updated their Halo support page with supported products: https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360049745891-Which-products-can-be-controlled-by-my-Beoremote-Halo- Harmony and Eclipse are no longer on the list, and sw-versions have been updated as well.
https://support.bang-olufsen.com/hc/en-us/articles/360049745891-Which-products-can-be-controlled-by-my-Beoremote-Halo-
Harmony and Eclipse are no longer on the list, and sw-versions have been updated as well.
I asked about the next software update to connect with BeoRemote Halo and the customer service answered that they had waited for 2 months. They claimed that the new software would arrive soon but no specific date
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Beosound 35, Beoplay E8 3rd Gen, and Beoplay Earset 3i.
No longer in use: Beoplay H5