BeoLink NL/ML connections

Carolpa:

For testing sake you should disconnect the bs3000 or BS5.

Set the BLC Ml role to Sound Center.

Program the BLC.

Note: if you choose the BS3000 to disconnect, set the sources of the bs5 to Cd and A.Mem, to have the sources N.Music, N.Radio free

Thanks for the suggestion! I have tried disconnecting the BS 3000, the BS5, and both. But, did not think to try changing the BLC ML role. Will try that tomorrow.

Razlaw:

Carolpa:

For testing sake you should disconnect the bs3000 or BS5.

Set the BLC Ml role to Sound Center.Program the BLC.

Note: if you choose the BS3000 to disconnect, set the sources of the bs5 to Cd and A.Mem, to have the sources N.Music, N.Radio free

Thanks for the suggestion! I have tried disconnecting the BS 3000, the BS5, and both. But, did not think to try changing the BLC ML role. Will try that tomorrow.

In your setup the ML role V Master is not the right one.

But the other option will not work for sure with both the BS5 and BS3000 connected!

 

I may as well jump in with my NL/ML question/s too.

I have a BV 10 and BS 3000 masterlinked together in the lounge. The speakers in that room are connected to the BV 10 and all works as it should when playing the sound from the TV or BS 3000. The rest of the house is NL (audio only) and I want to to be able to get the sound (Spotify and TuneIn) from a spare Core I have to be able to go thought the speakers in the lounge. The speakers have to be connected to the BV 10 as they are part of the surround sound.

It's not the end of the world if I can't get the sound from the BS 3000 to the rest of the house but I'll take it if it can be done. Is it a matter of matter of connecting the Core to the Aux in of the NL/ML or do I make it Primary and operate it this way?

Ideally I'd like to operate say AMem for Spotify and Radio for TuneIn on the Beo4 when in the lounge.

Hope this makes sense and apologies for hijacking the thread.

 

Peter

 

 

petermc:

I may as well jump in with my NL/ML question/s too.

I have a BV 10 and BS 3000 masterlinked together in the lounge. The speakers in that room are connected to the BV 10 and all works as it should when playing the sound from the TV or BS 3000. The rest of the house is NL (audio only) and I want to to be able to get the sound (Spotify and TuneIn) from a spare Core I have to be able to go thought the speakers in the lounge. The speakers have to be connected to the BV 10 as they are part of the surround sound.

It's not the end of the world if I can't get the sound from the BS 3000 to the rest of the house but I'll take it if it can be done. Is it a matter of matter of connecting the Core to the Aux in of the NL/ML or do I make it Primary and operate it this way?

Ideally I'd like to operate say AMem for Spotify and Radio for TuneIn on the Beo4 when in the lounge.

Hope this makes sense and apologies for hijacking the thread.

Peter

if you want a ML/NL integrated setup, controlable by a remote/B&o app you should go for a BLC. Your ML system should not have the issues Razlaw's has. 

If you just want the sound from NL to master link there are simpler ways........ speak to Steve

 

Razlaw:

 

PC turns on Tune In on BV7, nothing on BV10, and turns speakers on with Active but no sound.

 

The Active has it's own PC input which accounts for why there's no sound out of it. Have you tried setting the NL/ML role to Source Center and mapping Tune In to N.Radio? You also have to turn all ML devices off for a few minutes then turn them back on after any masterlink change.

If you look at the BeoLink handbook, your situation is most like NL scenario 3 (page 23). Do you option settings match the recommended settings?

1990:

If you look at the BeoLink handbook, your situation is most like NL scenario 3 (page 23). Do you option settings match the recommended settings?

That is what I used as a guide to set every thing up.

ebnrob:

The Active has it's own PC input which accounts for why there's no sound out of it. Have you tried setting the NL/ML role to Source Center and mapping Tune In to N.Radio? You also have to turn all ML devices off for a few minutes then turn them back on after any masterlink change.

I do get Deezer from the Essence on the Active, but no Tune In from the Active. But, to make it even more weird, if I switch from Deezer to Tune In, I thought there was no sound. I was wrong. There is sound, but very soft with static…..but still from Deezer. That makes no sense whatsoever to me.

I tried the source center as you suggested. No success.

Razlaw:

1990:

If you look at the BeoLink handbook, your situation is most like NL scenario 3 (page 23). Do you option settings match the recommended settings?

That is what I used as a guide to set every thing up.

Note: hugh differences

The main tv's = NL. The ML tv = set to slave. Only BS5 is connected as Audiomaster. In your setup it is not set as master, the BS3000 is.

There is no ML source issue!

 

Razlaw:

I tried the source center as you suggested. No success.

But did you also unplugged the BS5 or the BS3000 from ML?

ML role = Sound Center

N.Radio = TuneIn

N.Music = Music (note this is not Deezer it is your local music server)

If BS5 = attached then reprogram the sources to CD/A.Mem.

Maybe restart everything

Carolpa:

But did you also unplugged the BS5 or the BS3000 from ML?

ML role = Sound Center

N.Radio = TuneIn

N.Music = Music (note this is not Deezer it is your local music server)

If BS5 = attached then reprogram the sources to CD/A.Mem.

Maybe restart everything

Yes I did. They were disconnected from power.

I have now disconnected everything. Am going to reconfigure converter as VMaster and reconnect everything. Is there a preferred order to reconnect devices?

Carolpa:

Note: hugh differences

The main tv's = NL. The ML tv = set to slave. Only BS5 is connected as Audiomaster. In your setup it is not set as master, the BS3000 is.

There is no ML source issue!

I have V1 set as Master, option 2…..and it works perfectly with the converter. 10 and 7 set to option 6. Is that correct for them?

Razlaw:

I have V1 set as Master, option 2…..and it works perfectly with the converter. 10 and 7 set to option 6. Is that correct for them?

You are aware there is no Master in NL? No audio and no video master........

You realize that setting the ML tv's in option 6 means they are only local. That said, all the local sources will only be available locally 

 

Razlaw:

Yes I did. They were disconnected from power.

both??

see pictures

The instruction manual for the Converter said that a N Link tv should be set to option 2. That is why I set the V1 to option 2. I assumed that meant master. Sorry for using the wrong terminology. What options should the 10 and 7 be set to? The 7 was working perfectly set to option 6. All sources worked both directions. The 10, nothing has worked, regardless of option, have tried all of them.

Thanks!

Razlaw:

What options should the 10 and 7 be set to?

depends on ML role chosen in the BLC.

Razlaw:

The 7 was working perfectly set to option 6. All sources worked both directions.

Now you made me curious. Do you mean you can listen to a BV7 set in Option 6, source on your NL devices? You can also play this source to other ML devices at the same time?

try this

I disconnected everything from power. Disconnected all ML cables. Remained disconnected for an hour or more while I did some cable management. Reprogrammed converter as VMaster. Set it for Essence for Tune In and Music. Then reconnected everything. I think I must have either a defective converter or a short somewhere in the in wall cabling for the Masterlink.

At this, point CD from the 3000, N Radio and N Music from the 5 works on all NL products.

Deezer and Tune in from the Essence work on the BV7 and play through the 50s connected to it.

The BV10 and the Active Kit do not work.

Trying to turn either source on, (DVD and PC) commands with the Active Kit turns the speakers on, but no sound.

PC for Tune In on the 10 causes nothing to happen.

DVD for Deezer on the 10 causes nothing to happen.

Unfortunately I will just live with it the way it is for now. My main goal was to be able to play the same source in all locations. I can now do that with ML sources. NL sources would have been preferred, but that just does not seem possible for some reason with my system.

Thank you so much for all of the advice and assistance. And if any other suggestions based on the foregoing, of course I would welcome those also.

Thanks!

Razlaw:

Trying to turn either source on, (DVD and PC) commands with the Active Kit turns the speakers on, but no sound.

PC for Tune In on the 10 causes nothing to happen.

DVD for Deezer on the 10 causes nothing to happen.

just a trick: start a ML Audio source on your BV7 and Master link the BV10 and the BLA. Then switch on the BV7 to a NL source. See what happens. 

edit: maybe better said hear what happens

@Razlaw

Don’t give up!

You wrote above: ‘The BV10 and the Active Kit do not work’.

Does that mean, that you can not listen to anything coming from the 3000 there either?

In case of ‘no’, there must be some failure on the ML bus going to these two devices.

Do you have/have access to junction boxes, that you could check?

MM

Millemissen:

@Razlaw

Don’t give up!

You wrote above: ‘ The BV10 and the Active Kit do not work ’.

Does that mean, that you can not listen to anything coming from the 3000 there either?

In case of ‘no’, there must be some failure on the ML bus going to these two devices.

Do you have/have access to junction boxes, that you could check?

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

MasterLink sources, such as CD from the 3000 work fine on it. Just can not get NL sources.

Carolpa:

just a trick: start a ML Audio source on your BV7 and Master link the BV10 and the BLA. Then switch on the BV7 to a NL source. See what happens.

edit: maybe better said hear what happens

Tried that. Nothing happened. Also tried starting Deezer on the 7 from stand by and then turning 10 on. Again, no response from the 10.

I did change the option on setting on Active. Unplugged and disconnected everything for 10 minutes. Now I can get Deezer from the Essence on the Active, but no Tune In. Both are still working on 7. Nothing happens on 10 when trying those sources.

Some progress!! And Success!!

I noticed some of the assigned commands in V1 did not match those in the Converter settings.

Also, decided to try connecting to the Core instead of Essence.

The Active Kit now works!! Both Deezer and Tune In. BV7 also still works.

But, the BV10 is still totally non responsive.

I think I am back to giving up on getting the BV10 to work with the converter.

I have disconnected everything, power and ML. Have even gone in to the service menu on the BV10 and reset it. I also plugged the ML cable from it in to a different location on the junction box. I don’t know what else to try. I guess next step might be another Core in that room. Thanks for all of the suggestions and advice!

Question……could this possibly be the problem? The ML cable to the BV10 is a lengthy one from a junction box in the basement. When the dealer installed the BV 10, the ML cable was spliced to have two connectors on the end, one for the BV10 and one for the BS3000. Could there be a problem with that splice that is causing the problem? BS3000 and BS5 work fine and can shut off the 10 from other rooms by ML so have assumed the splice is good and not the problem. Unless there is some extra wire needed for the converter to work that is in a normal junction box but did not get connected when the dealer spliced it?

Edit deleted

Any other suggestions? I have tried everything I can think of, removing 3000 from system, different option settings, new cable to BV10, and even went in to service menu and reset TV and started over with setup. I even ran a ML cable to my old 32 Inch Avant…..and everything worked perfectly. (Amazing that with an old Beo 4 can access NL sources on a 20+ year old Avant)

One thought I have had is my BV10 does not have the power saving on off feature in the menu. I know it did at one point as I ran across a post where I mentioned it. User manual says some features won’t work with it turned on. Weird that the menu option has disappeared.

And here is a weird “symptom”…..if I try to turn on a NL source on the BV10, the BL50s in another room, connected to the BV7, turn on, but no sound.

Right now looks like if I want NL sources in BV10 room I need to order another Core.

Or, now that

I know the Avant works for music in the room where the Active Kit is, I suppose I could connect the Active Kit to the BL1s that are connected to the Beovision 10 with an Almando device?

Thanks for any and all suggestions/ideas.

Millemissen:

@Razlaw

Don’t give up!

You wrote above: ‘ The BV10 and the Active Kit do not work ’.

Does that mean, that you can not listen to anything coming from the 3000 there either?

In case of ‘no’, there must be some failure on the ML bus going to these two devices.

Do you have/have access to junction boxes, that you could check?

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

I finally was able to get everything working. The BV7 and Active Kit work perfectly. DTV or DVD turns on the speakers and activates the Core. With the BV10, I can get it to work by selecting A. Mem which turns the speakers on. Then, in the app go to the converter and select Core Deezer or Core Tune In and it will then activate the source. So a couple extra steps but at least I can get it to work.

One other weird thing…..the Core is connected to my 50s directly in addition to powerlink from the BV7 to the 50s. When I press A. Mem to turn on the BV10, it must be sending some sort of signal to the Core, as the 50s will turn on and the lenses rise up, even though the Core does not start playing.