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What Mk of 7-55 is it?
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After all these years of ragging on bno for being behind the times , now they're actually too far in advance ! :D
If it came in 40" with just normal HD I'd get one for my bedroom. Nice tv.
If I was buying a new TV (since decided to buy a second hand BV9) I would probably choose the Avant. I wouldn't swap a 7-55 over for one though, the 7-55 is an incredible television with outstanding picture quality, not to mention the sound.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
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I guess some of these updates are important but I am only primarily interested in updates to do with picture and sound quality, not smart features.
Shame the bv9 has no internet update available.
I'd save up for a new tv if I was you
Flappo:Shame the bv9 has no internet update available.
Maybe it's possible to fix a Beosystem 4 in a BV9?
Beoworld app with direct photo upload and emoticons.
For me, buying a television, either new or second hand, has never been an easy decision. My tastes swap and change all the time but actually, the deciding stage, and all the research and forum posts that go with it, is always as exciting as the purchase stage so I am generally happy most of the time.
I am currently watching TV on an old Avant. In recent years I have purchased new TVs including the BV7-40 Mk3 and Sony X9 55" 4K but deciding again that I'd now like to try a second hand BV9. I will use it with BL9s. I think this will be a great setup and am trying this route based on my viewing habits. I rarely watch HD (don't subscribe to HD channels and don't have Blu-ray). 4K is not even off and running yet so no point buying into that technology as I soon discovered with the Sony. I watch standard definition content mostly recorded in the 80s and 90s and also enjoy my DVDs. The TV is due for delivery in about a week or so and I am hoping the picture quality will be great and more than suitable for the content I watch. Of course I am a sucker for great design too, and this was another reason for choosing the BV9.
Ironically, this was a TV that I didn't really like at first. I saw the ALT speaker as a distraction although I did really like the rest of the design. Some of you will remember how much I loved the BV5. Over time, the BV9 has grown on me a lot and this is a perfect example (I think) of what is great about this brand. The products definitely have something special about them. If you don't like them at first, you are soon drawn to them at a later point. This has often been the case for me with B&O.
I'll have to add a DVD player so I guess the BC2 would be a nice match. Although I could go Blu-ray with an STB bracket I probably won't as I prefer the overall look of the former option. This is why I said that smart technology/features is not that important for me personally. Its great, don't get me wrong, its just not what I want! Phil's suggestion of a BS4 sounds interesting but I wouldn't do it either way. I prefer to play from DVD rather than the internet, at least for the moment and until I feel like changing it all around again!
It's nice to try all the different products out from B&O and the BV5/9s were TVs I always knew I would buy some day, but never at their entry price points. My only hope is that there is some life left in the plasma screen and that colours aren't already faded etc. We will see. It is a bit of a risk knowing that replacements parts (particularly the panel) may no longer be available, but nonetheless a risk I am willing to take.
Will be adding the new remote too as soon as they become available to buy separately. I am hoping there will be the brushed stainless steel version. Really love this new remote, great shape!
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Yes you are certainly right about these points Michael and I have of course considered them all. Still happy to try it out though and hope to get a year (or two) of viewing pleasure from it. If something goes wrong then that was the risk and I'll probably buy the new Avant. Always wanted to own a BV5 or BV9 though and I think the BV9 is the better choice of the two ... only just! :)
I know you are waiting for you're new Avant and I am sure you will love it. An impressive TV certainly, little on the big side for me though. Even the 50" plasma is pushing it a bit in my flat but you have to follow your heart.
i got to see the new avant yesterday. Fantastic but still to big at 55.
Smart features are not something I would use so I will probably go for a 7 40 mk 5. My last bv was the original Avant,
i do hope this Avant goes well for B and O as it is a great piece of technology.
Depending if it's a later bv9 wouldn't it have the camera that calibrates the tv every 100 hours to counter act against age??
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Michael:The BV9 is power hungry, heavy and old. It has a greyish plasma screen and they go weaker by every day they are used. Requiring more power to glow bright enough. I would not buy a used TV set with a plasma display today.
+1. I wouldn't think that that BV9 is going to be nearly anywhere as good as your Sony, irrespective of the 4K content, but if you are going to want to use with BL9s, i can understand.
The BV9 design has also sort of been continued with the BV11.
I myself wouldn't have gone to the expense of a 2nd hand television, if you current television is already better.
But... good luck with your purchase and I hope you're happy with the picture quality as from your comment that you hope it's ok: it sure is a nice looking set.
Markiedee... From what I have read, and heard from friends who are owners, this is a bit of a gimmick that isn't particularly effective either way. The model I have bought is a Mark 1. Its old, but the price was too good to pass up.
Michael... Thanks for your comments. I am hoping I will be happy with it as the last B&O TV that I owned was the 7-40 Mk 3 and the BV9 is going to be a similar picture to that, which was always fine for me. I haven't seen the BV9, just bought it direct from a dealer after numerous conversations about it. I actually don't think the Sony would have been better. For HD and 4k content yes, but considering I don't watch that I am quite sure the BV9 will be fine. I could never get excited over looking at a Sony, switched on or off. I will definitely get excited looking at the BV9, probably more off than on! So there we go. Its the whole package and how it makes you feel! I hope I won't be disappointed. Just under a week to go.
The Beonic Man: I could never get excited over looking at a Sony, switched on or off. I will definitely get excited looking at the BV9, probably more off than on! So there we go. Its the whole package and how it makes you feel!
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The Beonic Man: Yes you are certainly right about these points Michael and I have of course considered them all. Still happy to try it out though and hope to get a year (or two) of viewing pleasure from it. If something goes wrong then that was the risk and I'll probably buy the new Avant. Always wanted to own a BV5 or BV9 though and I think the BV9 is the better choice of the two ... only just! :) I know you are waiting for you're new Avant and I am sure you will love it. An impressive TV certainly, little on the big side for me though. Even the 50" plasma is pushing it a bit in my flat but you have to follow your heart.
Hey Beonic Man :)I am indeed waiting for my Avant (it has been delayed at least until the 22nd) and I look forward to it - probably as much as you look forward to your Beovision. The BV9 is absolutely a better choice than the BV5 and it is probably a very nice TV to own too. I don't think the screen will compare to a new led-screen but as you say this is not what is most important to you. I also got that thing about having to have certain things, which is why I have an old Avant in my study. It is a marvelous TV and it works perfectly. I think you will have the same feeling about your BV9. Not the latest tech but it´s cool and unique.
I’m about to get the new Avant, and have made a few enquiries as to Avant’s future-proofness:
INPUTS:
For anyone who’s confused or uncertain about the 4K capabilities of the inputs on the new Avant, as of right now, the version of all HDMI-inputs is 1.4, with HDCP 1.4. HDMI inputs 1 - 5 can already receive UHD signal up to 30 fps with the current video engine software version.
There will be a software update to the video engine later this year, as has been already mentioned. It will update HDMI 1 - 5 to HDMI 2.0, of which HDMI 1 will also support HDCP 2.2. HDMI 2 - 5 will keep their HDCP 1.4 compliance, however they too will support UHD signals up to 60 fps after the update.
Note that HDMI 6, the “temporary” connection, does not and will not support UHD signals.
INTERNAL MEDIA PLAYER & CODEC SUPPORT:
The internal media player of Avant will not support H.265/HEVC, not even after software updates. This would require a hardware update to the video engine (perhaps Avant Mk II will have it). So for H.265/HEVC content, an external player is needed, and Avant will play with them nicely via PUC control.
...which brings me to 3RD PARTY PLAYERS:
I wonder if there will be, for example, a new Apple TV that supports H.265/HEVC launched sometime soon? Perhaps the WWDC in June will reveal something... It would be great if such new Apple TV would also still fit inside the Avant's compartment.
KMA
B&O product history since 1991: Ridiculously long to list in a signature.
KMA: INTERNAL MEDIA PLAYER & CODEC SUPPORT: The internal media player of Avant will not support H.265/HEVC, not even after software updates . This would require a hardware update to the video engine (perhaps Avant Mk II will have it). So for H.265/HEVC content, an external player is needed , and Avant will play with them nicely via PUC control.
Off course you can, if you read again.
But lets start with 1K content first.
KMA: I’m about to get the new Avant, and have made a few enquiries as to Avant’s future-proofness: INPUTS: For anyone who’s confused or uncertain about the 4K capabilities of the inputs on the new Avant, as of right now, the version of all HDMI-inputs is 1.4, with HDCP 1.4. HDMI inputs 1 - 5 can already receive UHD signal up to 30 fps with the current video engine software version. There will be a software update to the video engine later this year, as has been already mentioned. It will update HDMI 1 - 5 to HDMI 2.0, of which HDMI 1 will also support HDCP 2.2. HDMI 2 - 5 will keep their HDCP 1.4 compliance, however they too will support UHD signals up to 60 fps after the update. Note that HDMI 6, the “temporary” connection, does not and will not support UHD signals. INTERNAL MEDIA PLAYER & CODEC SUPPORT: The internal media player of Avant will not support H.265/HEVC, not even after software updates. This would require a hardware update to the video engine (perhaps Avant Mk II will have it). So for H.265/HEVC content, an external player is needed, and Avant will play with them nicely via PUC control. ...which brings me to 3RD PARTY PLAYERS: I wonder if there will be, for example, a new Apple TV that supports H.265/HEVC launched sometime soon? Perhaps the WWDC in June will reveal something... It would be great if such new Apple TV would also still fit inside the Avant's compartment.
Im sorry but both HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 is hardware changes, so a software change won't do much. HDCP 2.2 is a new chip.
Out of interest, the first Avant's should start arriving shortly. Has anyone ordered an Avant and, if so, if you have received it, can you give us your first impressions?
Tomas: Im sorry but both HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 is hardware changes, so a software change won't do much. HDCP 2.2 is a new chip.
In that case, the hardware must already be up-to-date with Avant, and B&O will simply enable the compliance to HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 with a software update to the video engine. I know my original post to be correct
EDIT: Interesting reading:
http://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-0-what-you-need-to-know/
http://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-0-upgrade-path-where-do-the-manufacturers-stand/
Worth noting that those articles are from September and October last year. Conclusion from manufacturers:
"Sony and Toshiba have committed to an upgrade path via free firmware available soon, Samsung says its path involves a new external input box (which likely isn't free), and the promises made by Sharp and LG are much more vague. TCL doesn't have an upgrade path, and while Seiki didn't reply, I'd be surprised if it offered an upgrade. Panasonic's lone 4K TV is also the only one said to support HDMI 2.0 right now."
And most importantly:
"If you fall somewhere between these two groups, it might save you some stress to focus on the companies with a clear upgrade path from HDMI 1.4 to 2.0."
B&O has a clear upgrade path via software update to the video engine.
As to how the upgrade is possible without changing hardware, only with a software update, an article from HDGuru explains:
"Since the HDMI 2.0 signal is electrically identical to HDMI 1.4, the change will be in how fast the HDMI chip operates. We speculate that Sony and others may have planned for HDMI 2.0 and used a faster chip in their UHD displays to prepare for it. This means the upgrade will be a simple firmware update that’s likely downloaded from the Internet."
B&O have already mentioned that Avant has an upgraded video engine (compared to BV11, BSys4) with more processing power – and processing power is what handling higher frame rate UHD signals eventually comes down to.
HDMI 2 allows for higher bandwith and I hope B&O has thought about this, as far as I understand some companies fake HDMI2 (reduced colors but 60 fps). HDMI 2 and HDCP 2.2 is already on the market and the TV is being shipped just now. They don't have anything to blame for not having it. I hope B&O will keep us updated and if there will be need for a MK2 Avant I want them to exchange it for free (or rather change the logic board to the newer one) since they should already be up to date with recent technology. I think the fact that they don't write anything about hdmi or hdcp versions on their tech specs but do spec everything else very good is annoying.
Maybe by the time Avant MVor MVI comes out there will actually be some relevant content to make the selling of all the HDMI and HDCP and new video codecs worthwhile . Still can't believe I bought Men In Black 3 in 3D.
Let us know how that free Avant upgrade/replacement goes when the time comes.
B&O have licenced HDCP 2.x by the way: http://www.digital-cp.com/about_dcp/list/hdcp_2x_licensed_adopters
moxxey: Out of interest, the first Avant's should start arriving shortly. Has anyone ordered an Avant and, if so, if you have received it, can you give us your first impressions?
Mine arrives tomorrow :-)
mawheele: moxxey: Out of interest, the first Avant's should start arriving shortly. Has anyone ordered an Avant and, if so, if you have received it, can you give us your first impressions? Mine arrives tomorrow :-)
Nice one. Rather than debating HDMI 2.0 over and over (which isn't required for 50fps 4K), let us know your impressions of your brand new Avant!
You don't have to spend much time googling to learn that it is just a matter of updating to get HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2...
....if the hardware is prepared for it!
Many of the 'early 4K birds' could not be updated - they needed/need a new hardware to benefit from HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2. They showed the 4K material through the HDMI 1.4 at 25/30 fps (just as the Avant does today).
As KMA writes, the Avant however is prepared for being udated.
If you built in this technology in your devices (or update to), you will have to pay the licences at the owners.
As we all know, there is no material to show at the moment - they know that in Struer too - and therefore no need for paying licences for now.
It is not necsesary to wait for a MK2 version of the Avant,if you want to be prepared for real 4K.
However, what KMA writes of the H265/HEVC codecs, makes me a bit irritated - probably they expect the future players to have the needed codecs built in - in that case there will be no need for internal decoding of HEVC material.
Only drawback is that there will be no 4K Netflix playback from an internal app - at least not as things seems to be now.
Do remember that HEVC is not the only codecs used with 4K material. Youtube use the VP9 codecs, and that - as some may have seen in the demonstration of the Avant - is not a problem for the Avant.
I am well aware, that what I write basicly is the same as KMA already wrote above.
But since Tomas - after the post from KMA - still believe that the Avant needs a hardware update in any case, I thought I'd write it in my words. Maybe that helps understanding.
Looking forward to read about the 'KMA Avant' soon
MM
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I'm confused about the discussion
If I buy the Avant, can I expect a TV that's ready for the future?Or is this the same procedure that we have to learn about HD and HD-Ready? I hope that B&O can certify that the BS4 is ready for 4K in 60fps. If not, who give me my hard-earned money back? We talk about 9000 €, BeoLink-Converter included.
What is about the Panasonic TX-58AXW804 VIERA AXW804. In the specs I can read that the codec HEVC is included.
If I go to our dealer, he only want to sell, because he need money
May be expect an early report.
Ingo
BeoVision Eclipse 55“ wallmounted, BeoRemote One BT; BeoSound 9000(ex-weiss), BeoLab 9; BeoLab 8000 rot; Beosound 1 grün; BeoPlay H6; Beo4
• My avant is scheduled for delivery on monday. B&O made changes to the floor stand which pushed delivery forward a few days. I know that it is on a trailer somewhere in Europe now.Total weight 132,5 kg. Much more than my "fat" avant! • Regarding HDMI I would not assume anything before we have the hard facts from B&O. Sure it might be a HDMI 2 chip inside but we don't know this. I think the Bsys4 should be able to decode HEVC also but this might be something B&O say they "can't" do because of licensing costs (we see this with High quality sound codecs which B&O does not decode. Which is creepishly crazy since they produce the best speakers - not everyone wants to output PCM to the TV since all info about the format is then lost and not all players can do this - and not the in-built player).