To Days The Day :-) The New Avant...What Do you Think Of It?

I quite agree.

In 2 to 3 years time this tv will hopefully be awesome .

Am I wrong saying that Avant early adopters majority didn't have a BV11 before it ?

Saying the picture and sound are excellent is one thing, but compared to what ? A 5 years old sony, a 12 years old Avant ?

BeoGreg:

Am I wrong saying that Avant early adopters majority didn't have a BV11 before it ? Saying the picture and sound are excellent is one thing, but compared to what ? A 5 years old sony, a 12 years old Avant ?

BeoVision LX5500 from 1991.

Double post

BeoGreg:

Am I wrong saying that Avant early adopters majority didn't have a BV11 before it ?

Saying the picture and sound are excellent is one thing, but compared to what ? A 5 years old sony, a 12 years old Avant ?

Two BV8s which is why I am giving the Avant serious consideration ...

Inhibitors on the decision (apart from cash flow) are how to transition from/integrate with the BV8s -- which is one reason for doing a bunch of wiring simplification that past two weekends.

I have now totally disconnected the RF modulator for link room support - and I have run a split aerial connection to the two BV8s - downside (or is it an upside ) is I have lost Foxtel support in the link room, and unfortunately our preferred channel's signal strength has enough drop-off to become unusable.  I shall have to dig out the RF Modulator's installation instructions, and see if I can simply repurpose it as a signal amplifier ...

And I am looking forward to the official Australian launch next week ... 

A new software update came today with no info(?) but it might have updated with gui on 4k - Im too tired to get a hdmi cable and try with my macbook pro now. I hope it deals with the colour temperature sensor also.  

update 1: Nope, the sensor issue is still apparent, still sucks. Setting room adaptation to basic makes it a little better (I might be wrong). The temperature sensor is not very good - yet - I hope B&O will improve this. My screen is going brighter/darker in crazy ways - very easily to spot on paused images it just goes up and down, up and down... 

update 2: GREAT, there is a GUI/OSD on UHD(4K) now, and electronic curtains(!) BUT pixelated - obviously not 4K rendered but surely FHD OSD - running on native 4K/UHD without any antialiasing (which it has on FHD sources). This makes it choppy/pixelated and I am actually surprised they "cheated" like this but I hope this is just a rush job to have a OSD to show in stores in the mean time instead of nothing. It´s not that bad and not very obvious so I don't think many will even notice - it looks okey but I´d _like_ if it was proper UHD, it should be easy to fix. Picture included below. (NOW I have to sleep!

update 3: okey, 4K is really beautiful! Watched some 4K on youtube and wow it is lovely. Flappo, if you ever find yourself in Båstad this summer, please come by and be positively surprised. Not only by 4K footage but also about the scaling of other sources (which might be better in this software actually). 

update 4: HOME MEDIA is not working anymore. It takes very long to find a DLNA-server if it even does and when it does the TV crashes and reboots - takes about a minute or two. Big issue since I have a lot of media that I access this way. I have just used wifi but I am going to connect a network cable instead anyway. I don't expect it to work better tough. 

update 5: now a boot screen/splash screen with the same flashlight-effect as on beoplay V1 but with the BANG & OLUFSEN logo. Not sure I like it as it was discrete without any logo before - nice and subtle with the moving stand. I would prefer an option to choose if I want the start up logo or not. 

other: My avant 55 won't show my Apple TV in the source list on HDMI1, I have to select it from the Beoremote one to get it to show the source in the source list. If I don't then I can only see the built in sources (TV-TUNER, RADIO, HOMEMEDIA, WEBMEDIA, WEBBRADIO (two B? decide on one spelling), YOUTUBE, SPOTIFY and DEEZER).

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I got the latest software update.  Unfortunately no improvement with the motion issues.  I put on the Star Trek (2009) Bluray and it is still as juddery as ever.  On default settings it actually gives me a headache.  If anyone with an Avant has this Bluray, take a look.  With all the camera movement and people running around it really shows up the problem as clear as day.  (And on any other TV i have, it works just fine. )

i'll wait for mk 3 , thx

Flappo:

i'll wait for mk 3 , thx

Honestly Flappo, you only make me sad nowadays and its just frustrating that you stand in the way of progress. Things are never perfect when they are new, they have to be polished and that is what is happening slowly. mk3 - yes you wait for that but this is software and it can be dealt with.

I wish B&O let their developers talk directly with customers as myself but unfortunately they don't. The only thing I can do is to tell B&O about the things I want to change and then they will forward to the developers. So your mk3 will be better - thanks to us. 

elephant:

We are spreading our love around

 

 

we were in a different suburb picking up an XC60 to test drive and so we walked around the corner to see the new B&O store and take our 3rd look at the Avant

 

 

"Oh look" said she/we, "the store is modelled on the BeoLab 18s"

 

 

 

 

BRILLIANT!!!!!! 

Bl18 - inspired by life!

MM

KMA:

It will be HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2 later this year when B&O releases the software upgrade for Avant. As of now, it's HDMI 1.4 with HDCP 1.4.

HEVC won't be coming to Avant's internal media player, it requires a hardware upgrade. But you'll be able to use an external source for H.265 / HEVC playback.

That's why Netflix 4K won't work with the Avant. But Panasonic has also this problem:

http://www.techradar.com/news/television/hdtv/dealbreaker-panasonic-reveals-its-ultra-hd-tv-is-not-compatible-with-netflix-4k-1252105

And I doubt if the Avant will be able to show 4K content from 4K Blurays coming soon.

Does it make any sense at the moment to buy this new Avant (besides the issues with upscaling HD and SD content described in another thread)?

Regards

Räuber

4K already works. The update will

Add hdmi 2 for over 24/30 fps which is very unusual today.

Ergo: "4k bluray" would work already if they existed.

Bluray 4K will need H.265 / HEVC decoding. I don't know if a 4K Bluray player will do this job or the 4K TV is responsible for decoding. If the latter you can't watch 4K blurays on Avant (if KMA's update info is correct).

Slight problem with 4K Bluray..

http://www.techradar.com/news/video/blu-ray/why-the-4k-blu-ray-format-could-be-dead-in-the-water-1246497

Chris Townsend:

Slight problem with 4K Bluray..

http://www.techradar.com/news/video/blu-ray/why-the-4k-blu-ray-format-could-be-dead-in-the-water-1246497

May be, but:

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/126502-4k-blu-ray-discs-confirmed-by-the-blu-ray-disc-association

I truly hope so.

Your article was from January the 4th, mine the 2nd of May

Raeuber:

Bluray 4K will need H.265 / HEVC decoding. I don't know if a 4K Bluray player will do this job or the 4K TV is responsible for decoding. If the latter you can't watch 4K blurays on Avant (if KMA's update info is correct).

Of course the player has to do this! Picture sent over hdmi is always video not compressed with hevc etc...

Chris Townsend:

Slight problem with 4K Bluray..

http://www.techradar.com/news/video/blu-ray/why-the-4k-blu-ray-format-could-be-dead-in-the-water-1246497

Chris, I can't go too public on this (note my public liability warning about forum posts, in another thread), but I really wouldn't take what TR says as gospel. I know these guys well having worked for them for three years.

TR put a lot of gossip, exaggeration and non-news online, to get as much SEO as possible.

ie. it's not the most credible source for concrete tech news.

One of the reasons for the industry moving to 4K and 8K was to combat piracy. A 4K film needs GBs of data and is hard to stream, forcing many users to switch back to a physical disc. The film industry makes far more from a physical disc than it does via renting your moving via an Apple TV. If they had their way, they'd prefer the disc over streaming.

Good Grief , you really think a a forum like this would affect sales of a company the size of Bang & Olufsen?

Hahahaha

GET A LIFE

Just got my Avant! Awesome! Unfortunately the tablestand I ordered didn't come on time. My dealer lent me a floorstand witch I use, but its way too high for me. They say that I will have stand in the middle of july.

So glad my 11 year old Sony Bravia finally had it! My wife thinks I had something to do with the beakdown since it was just a week before the launch of the Avant, but I swear, it wasn't me...

Thanks Kallas,

nice to see a positive post on the Avant.

Have fun - enjoy.

I wish I could afford one.

MM

Millemissen:

Thanks Kallas,

nice to see a positive post on the Avant.

Have fun - enjoy.

I wish I could afford one.

MM

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

I'm positive about mine too - I might add

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/4k-tv-makers-clueless,news-19044.html

I am not sure if this gives Flappo more oxygen 

However it does mentioned B&O ... and of interest is the panel's discussion on what level to design their sound systems for ...

Representatives from six leading TV companies gathered for the "What You Can See" panel during the CE Week expo. Tim Alessi from LG, Scott Ramirez from Toshiba, Dan Schinasi from Samsung, Jim Sanduski from Sharp, Brian Siegel from Sony and Ben Verbraak from Bang & Olufsen discussed what they (and their consumers) believed to be the most vital features in 4K TV sets.

Anyone heard of Ben before ?

Is he the Geoff Martim of video ?

This might interest too:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-latest-industry-news/1582665-your-next-tv-conference-ce-week-2014-a.html

The second video-clip - Ben is 'Video Product Manager' from B&O.

MM

Michael:

Millemissen:

 

Thanks Kallas,

 

nice to see a positive post on the Avant.

 

Have fun - enjoy.

 

I wish I could afford one.

 

MM

 

There is a tv - and there is a BV.

 

 

 

 

I'm positive about mine too - I might add

I'm utterly happy with mine.

Millemissen:

This might interest too:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-latest-industry-news/1582665-your-next-tv-conference-ce-week-2014-a.html

The second video-clip - Ben is 'Video Product Manager' from B&O.

MM

Thanks MM

44 minutes long !

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But it is worth spending the time on it, because lots of the themes discussed on the forum are adressed in these 44 minutes.

I did wait to see it, untill I had time to AirPlay it to my V1-baby - rather than watching it on the iPad. It has great picture quality.

And it is nice to see that B&O has got a place amongst the big manufacturers such as Sony, LG....

MM

Millemissen:

This might interest too:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/286-latest-industry-news/1582665-your-next-tv-conference-ce-week-2014-a.html

The second video-clip - Ben is 'Video Product Manager' from B&O.

MM

Thanks MM!

I watched all the videos, and they shed a lot of light on the complexity and "infancy" of 4K and how & when to get the most of it. It's gonna take some years for UHD to become mainstream. It's not even fully standardized yet.

I wonder if any TV sets currently on the market are truly future-proof for what is required of UHD at its more mature state in a couple (or more) years?

I found the 4th video "More Than Just Pixels: Extended dynamic range, higher frame rate, expanded color gamut–what they really mean to the viewing experience" particularly informative in regard to where the tech is now (in different areas of the "food chain", from content production to displaying it on 4K screens). It also nicely outlined the bottlenecks of reaching the full potential – or glory – of UHD video.

The presentation & slides for "Five lanes of Progress" was a good snapshot at where the industry is now: the resolution is there, but the other 4 ingredients of the "perfect" UHD picture are still very much in progress: frame rate, dynamic range, bit depth & colorimetry.

One point was made clear in the presentations & panels: good upscaling / upconversion is a crucial feature of UHD televisions. They should be able to show HD and Full HD content as good as (or better than) 1080p televisions, since that is what the majority of available content will be for the next few years.

The UHD panels are here (the pixels), but is the rest of the technology of today's TVs up to specs? I wouldn't say "yes" with much certainty after watching the videos – given that the specs themselves are not set yet.

Of course it does not hurt to have a TV with UHD resolution (the extra pixels have a purpose, and more so in the future) as long as the TV also performs equally well with HD (720p/1080p) content as the FHD sets do today.

OLED is the future LCD with LED backlighting is a mere stopgap until they get production costs down. Here's a a review of the new LG 4k oled , it's their new reference TV beating the pioneer kuro even.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1400497729

If the avant had this technology , Id buy one tomorrow

 

 

 

 

How about some 'crowd sourcing' - for a BeoLed tv

MM

Hey Flappo -- 

 

just a heads up - that LG is not a 4k TV. 

 

Sounds awesome though regardless - I am thinking OLED is going to be the only way to go in not too long! 

Update on my order of a Beoremote One:

Dealer called me last week about my order for the new remote: Although he could order the new remote in the system it was not delivered last week...

He made a telephone call to now why. And the explanation was: currently has the factory no ability to deliver additional remote's, the production number of this new remote is just enough to meet the needs of the new avant. Delivery of additional remote's could take months or maybe earlier. They try to do their best. Pity!

My guess:

• Either selling of the avant is huge
• Or they make remotes somewhere in a garage

 

Chris:

Delivery of additional remote's could take months or maybe earlier. They try to do their best. Pity!

My guess:

Either selling of the avant is huge Or they make remotes somewhere in a garage

A pity indeed. Now that the production of Avant is on hold for the *second* time (mentioned in the Sky HD thread), one would think they'd take the time to make extra remotes in the meanwhile.

So I'm thinking garage .

Oh well, back to reviving the old Beo5.

Thanks for the update, Chris!

Millemissen:

How about some 'crowd sourcing' - for a BeoLed tv

MM

Don't forget to build-in an Olive One sort of 12 month delay on delivery!

Graham

Why are we chasing higher resolution/more pixels/4K?

We should be chasing 'better picture quality'.

MM

Hence why Paul was spot on about why something like the LG OLED being in the new Avant. LG TVs have been very impressive recently, and I see they are now making them with Harmon Kardon doing the speakers etc.

That's true MM.

It's not about the amount of pixels. You should only look at the quality of the image and not dig too deep into technical specs. Most of us would not be able to tell the difference between 4k and HD, at least not 3-4 meters away from a 55" screen.

I can compare this to my interest in photography. I have a digital Hasselblad camera with 39 megapixel and a Nikon with 36 megapixel. The hb takes so much nicer pictures and appears to be sharper even though they have equal amount of pixels. Instead there are other values to reconsider, such as dynamic range and appearence of colours.

Of course in this case it's about quality in the optics and size of the pixels (and milloins of other parameters...)

Just a thought...

/Kallas

Just a few words about BeoRemote One. One big disadvantage is that I must look at it to use it. The BeoLink 1000 and Beo4 I can use in the dark TV room. I know exactly which button to use and where they are. On the new one it's just one big plastic surface and I can't feel which row my thumb is on.

The logic of the new remote is great, but I miss sitting laidback in the coach with "The Power" in my hand and using it without lifting my arm.

Daniel:

The logic of the new remote is great, but I miss sitting laidback in the coach with "The Power" in my hand and using it without lifting my arm.

Good point. It's strange how I seem to hold the Beo 4 90% of the time when watching TV or movies! Perhaps we will get used to it and it will be the same? Practice makes perfect! I do like that the new remote is lighter, although some say they miss the weight so we can't all win!