ARCHIVED FORUM -- March 2012 to February 2022READ ONLY FORUM
This is the second Archived Forum which was active between 1st March 2012 and 23rd February 2022
BeoGreg:Chris, have you set your apple music to max quality on your Iphone settings ? The difference is huge even on Beolit 15.
Beosound Stage, Beovision 8-40, Beolit 20, Beosound Explore.
Millemissen:They talked about ' BeoLab 90´s many inputs ' In the leaked paper. So I guess, that if you want a 'standalone setup' with the 90's, you could just connect them via USB or spdif to a Mac (or pc) using a good audio software.
But probably not nostalgia in that for you ;-))
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
BeoBoy68:Hoping a cheaper little brother with a regular production will be launch in next months.
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Present: BL90, Core, BL6000, CD7000, Beogram 7000, Essence Remote.
Past: BL1, BL2, BL8000, BS9000, BL5, BC2, BS5, BV5, BV4-50, Beosystem 3, BL3, DVD1, Beoremote 4, Moment.
seethroughyou:Beoboy68, do you know something we don't and are you keeping secrets? Is there a cheaper little brother due next year? If yes, this would be an answer to my prayers.
Chris Townsend:All I can change is the quality of the 3g streaming. Is there something else???? Beovision 7-55 Mk2, Beovision 8-32, Avant RF 28, Beolab 9, Beolit 15, Beoplay A2, Beocom 2, Beotime, H6, Form 2.
linder: BeoBoy68: linder: Does anyone honestly think the buyer of the Beolab 90 would buy a Beosound Essence as a player for these speakers? I would not. I would want a player worthy of the price and ability of these speakers. There has to be more to this. Agree linder Which model of player do you recommend us ? Good question! I am assuming there are multiple inbuilt DACs in the Beolab 90s and many types of connectors. i think they should be able to decode USB input compatible with the following audio formats via PC/MAC. PCM: 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4, 192, 352.8 and 384 kHz, up to 32 bits. DSD via USB (DoP): 2.822, 3.072, 5.644 and 6.144 MHz. I already have an Oppo Blu-ray player that can play Blu-ray audio and SACD which sound really great but there is a limited distribution of these discs. I guess there should be a player designed and built in Denmark that is a unique design for the Beolab 90s. After all if one is going to spend £50k for Beolab 90s, why not spend another £6000 for an exquisite player.
BeoBoy68: linder: Does anyone honestly think the buyer of the Beolab 90 would buy a Beosound Essence as a player for these speakers? I would not. I would want a player worthy of the price and ability of these speakers. There has to be more to this. Agree linder Which model of player do you recommend us ?
linder: Does anyone honestly think the buyer of the Beolab 90 would buy a Beosound Essence as a player for these speakers? I would not. I would want a player worthy of the price and ability of these speakers. There has to be more to this.
Does anyone honestly think the buyer of the Beolab 90 would buy a Beosound Essence as a player for these speakers? I would not. I would want a player worthy of the price and ability of these speakers. There has to be more to this.
Agree linder
Which model of player do you recommend us ?
Good question! I am assuming there are multiple inbuilt DACs in the Beolab 90s and many types of connectors. i think they should be able to decode USB input compatible with the following audio formats via PC/MAC. PCM: 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4, 192, 352.8 and 384 kHz, up to 32 bits. DSD via USB (DoP): 2.822, 3.072, 5.644 and 6.144 MHz. I already have an Oppo Blu-ray player that can play Blu-ray audio and SACD which sound really great but there is a limited distribution of these discs.
I guess there should be a player designed and built in Denmark that is a unique design for the Beolab 90s. After all if one is going to spend £50k for Beolab 90s, why not spend another £6000 for an exquisite player.
Just out of curiosity, what genre of music or groups would you like to have in surround sound? For the music I like, I've been finding a lot. This morning, I listened to Joni Mitchell (quad), King Crimson (In the Court...), and now Jethro Tull (Minstrel).
Yes' Relayer and Close to the Edge in surround sound are on order, and I'll be ordering the King Crimson Thrak boxed set shortly.
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Doonesbury: Just out of curiosity, what genre of music or groups would you like to have in surround sound? For the music I like, I've been finding a lot. This morning, I listened to Joni Mitchell (quad), King Crimson (In the Court...), and now Jethro Tull (Minstrel). Yes' Relayer and Close to the Edge in surround sound are on order, and I'll be ordering the King Crimson Thrak boxed set shortly. D
That would require a setup of (at least) 5 BL90!
I wonder, if that was tested in the 'dungeons' in Struer ;-)
It would be very interesting to hear.
Actually I was thinking of asking, which tracks people would like to listen to/to test, if they had the opportunity to 'use' the BL90 for half an hour or so.
Which tracks would you like to bring with you for testing the BL90 and the different modes/settings of it?
I would take one of the tracks from the new James Taylor album - Before This World, which is an exellent recording.
And I would like to hear one of Geoff Martin's auggestions for something, that is excellent for testing 'spaciousness': Arvo Pärt - Te Deum.
And a 2L recording from the Bluray Audio disc: TrondheimSolistene - Souvenir (e.g. the Tchaikovsky - Souvenir piece of it). Of course this would limit me to the stereo mix of it, but it would be nice to hear how that is handled by the 90's.
And finally Cousin Dupree from the Steely Dan album Two Against Nature - because I know that track well.
Which would you select?
That would require a setup of (at least) 5 BL90! I wonder, if that was tested in the 'dungeons' in Struer ;-) It would be very interesting to hear. Actually I was thinking of asking, which tracks people would like to listen to/to test, if they had the opportunity to 'use' the BL90 for half an hour or so. Which tracks would you like to bring with you for testing the BL90 and the different modes/settings of it? I would take one of the tracks from the new James Taylor album - Before This World, which is an exellent recording. And I would like to hear one of Geoff Martin's auggestions for something, that is excellent for testing 'spaciousness': Arvo Pärt - Te Deum. And a 2L recording from the Bluray Audio disc: TrondheimSolistene - Souvenir (e.g. the Tchaikovsky - Souvenir piece of it). Of course this would limit me to the stereo mix of it, but it would be nice to hear how that is handled by the 90's. And finally Cousin Dupree from the Steely Dan album Two Against Nature - because I know that track well. Which would you select? MM
More than ten years ago, when I eventually ended up buying a Hegel CDP2A CD-player, a Hegel P2A pre-amp, a Hegel H2A power amp, Dali Helicon 400 speakers and the necessary Nordost Red Dawn XLR interconnects, I was told by a friend that the most important thing about your reference recordings when trying out stereo equipment in stores wasn't the supposed recording quality. Rather it was how well you knew the recording. Often it is easy to be impressed by a hi-fi sales person putting on some kind of reference CD he knows will sound impressive, but that you have never heard before. Hence you have nothing to compare it with. Therefore, the most important thing is that you listen to music you know and love. I hindsight I both agree and not, but at the time I followed the advice and ended up testing all amplifiers and all loudspeakers with these two tracks:
"Alle vet jo det" by Kari Bremnes (included in several albums, like "Erindring")
"Rock 'N' Roll Farmacia" by Kåre & The Cavemen (From the album "Long Days' Flight 'Till Tomorrow")
I have kept with these, so last winter/spring, when I ended up replacing everything with Beosound Moment, Beolab 18 and Beolab 19, these tracks got some playing time at my B&O-retailer as well...
When thinking of it, I forgot to give them a spin on the pair of Beolab 5 they have in the store. Hopefully I can remedy that by trying out at least Rock 'N' Roll Farmacia on the Beolab 90 in the store soon. I'm sure it will blow some fuses.
-h.
Yes, you are quite right.
Allways use something, that you already know!
From the tracks, that I mentioned in my post, I know 3 of them well.
The fourth I picked out of curiousity - and because Geoff suggests it for 'spaciousness' in a recording.
My post was meant to engage people to pick their own music, when listening to the BL90 (if they have the chance) - and to choose different kinds of music.
In the latest BL90-'facebook-teaser' we can read:
'As we prepare to redefine sound as we know it in 2015, we’re already thinking about the future of sound. What should every audio speaker be able do by the year 2025?'
So, what is it, that every speaker should be able to do?
Millemissen: So, what is it, that every speaker should be able to do? MM
Eliminate the need for a music player and be able to stream directly from your phone, tablet or laptop in every format known to mankind?
9 LEE: Millemissen: So, what is it, that every speaker should be able to do? MM Eliminate the need for a music player and be able to stream directly from your phone, tablet or laptop in every format known to mankind?
Is that all?
BeoNut since '75
hsorlie: That would require a setup of (at least) 5 BL90! I wonder, if that was tested in the 'dungeons' in Struer ;-) It would be very interesting to hear. Actually I was thinking of asking, which tracks people would like to listen to/to test, if they had the opportunity to 'use' the BL90 for half an hour or so. Which tracks would you like to bring with you for testing the BL90 and the different modes/settings of it? I would take one of the tracks from the new James Taylor album - Before This World, which is an exellent recording. And I would like to hear one of Geoff Martin's auggestions for something, that is excellent for testing 'spaciousness': Arvo Pärt - Te Deum. And a 2L recording from the Bluray Audio disc: TrondheimSolistene - Souvenir (e.g. the Tchaikovsky - Souvenir piece of it). Of course this would limit me to the stereo mix of it, but it would be nice to hear how that is handled by the 90's. And finally Cousin Dupree from the Steely Dan album Two Against Nature - because I know that track well. Which would you select? MM More than ten years ago, when I eventually ended up buying a Hegel CDP2A CD-player, a Hegel P2A pre-amp, a Hegel H2A power amp, Dali Helicon 400 speakers and the necessary Nordost Red Dawn XLR interconnects, I was told by a friend that the most important thing about your reference recordings when trying out stereo equipment in stores wasn't the supposed recording quality. Rather it was how well you knew the recording. Often it is easy to be impressed by a hi-fi sales person putting on some kind of reference CD he knows will sound impressive, but that you have never heard before. Hence you have nothing to compare it with. Therefore, the most important thing is that you listen to music you know and love. I hindsight I both agree and not, but at the time I followed the advice and ended up testing all amplifiers and all loudspeakers with these two tracks: "Alle vet jo det" by Kari Bremnes (included in several albums, like "Erindring") "Rock 'N' Roll Farmacia" by Kåre & The Cavemen (From the album "Long Days' Flight 'Till Tomorrow") I have kept with these, so last winter/spring, when I ended up replacing everything with Beosound Moment, Beolab 18 and Beolab 19, these tracks got some playing time at my B&O-retailer as well... When thinking of it, I forgot to give them a spin on the pair of Beolab 5 they have in the store. Hopefully I can remedy that by trying out at least Rock 'N' Roll Farmacia on the Beolab 90 in the store soon. I'm sure it will blow some fuses. -h.
Why did you make the jump from Hegel to B&O?
How did you hear of B&O?
What did the tracks do on B&O that they didn't do on the Hegel and Dali?
(Intrigued and love hearing stories of moves to B&O)
http://mobil.nu/tilbehoer/bos-verdensnyhed-beolab-90-til-500-000-kroner-61116
Beolab 28s Beolab 9s Beolab 12-3s Beolab 1s Beolab 6000s 2 pairs Beolab 4000s Beovision 7-55 Beovision 10-40 Beoplay V1 32 inch Beovision Avant 32 inch Beosound 1 (CD player) Beosound 3000 Beosound 5 Core Essence MKII Beoplay M5
BeoBoy68: Somebody know what do this machine ?
Somebody know what do this machine ?
It is a torture chamber for the BL90
Playdrv4me: I don't see enough substance here, at least until some professional reviewers can get their hands on them or we get to hear them (and how many dealers will carry them?). The problem once again just like BL5 is that B&O seems to have thrown a bunch of drivers in a cabinet in an effort to create a wider "sweet spot" within an entire room to enjoy the music without losing details. Ok, that's fine. But there's no mention of any driver improvements to increase the *resolution and imaging* starting with the driver itself. Sure, the B&W 800 Series Diamond speakers don't have this incredible ability to bounce off every surface in a room and still keep a convincing stereo soundstage but... so what? If you ARE sitting in the sweet spot and even further, if you have a good Room EQ, the dividends are incredible with the diamond tweeter and the FST midrange. I certainly hope that for 70,000.00 or whatever silly price these things will cost, there's more substance here than novel placement of cooling fins and beam width control. Yes, I read about both of these innovations on Geoff's site, but even with all the supposed innovation in the BL5 that stood since 2003, it still doesn't sound better than even an 804 Diamond D2 which is the smallest floor stander. In some ways, the BL5 doesn't really sound much better than my Penta IIIs. Sure, it throws sound out wider, but that doesn't matter when I sit down for serious listening anyway as I'm not going to sit off in a corner of the room. Transducer technology has advanced SO far in the last 20 years that you can not just ignore that part of the equation.
I don't see enough substance here, at least until some professional reviewers can get their hands on them or we get to hear them (and how many dealers will carry them?).
The problem once again just like BL5 is that B&O seems to have thrown a bunch of drivers in a cabinet in an effort to create a wider "sweet spot" within an entire room to enjoy the music without losing details. Ok, that's fine. But there's no mention of any driver improvements to increase the *resolution and imaging* starting with the driver itself. Sure, the B&W 800 Series Diamond speakers don't have this incredible ability to bounce off every surface in a room and still keep a convincing stereo soundstage but... so what? If you ARE sitting in the sweet spot and even further, if you have a good Room EQ, the dividends are incredible with the diamond tweeter and the FST midrange.
I certainly hope that for 70,000.00 or whatever silly price these things will cost, there's more substance here than novel placement of cooling fins and beam width control. Yes, I read about both of these innovations on Geoff's site, but even with all the supposed innovation in the BL5 that stood since 2003, it still doesn't sound better than even an 804 Diamond D2 which is the smallest floor stander. In some ways, the BL5 doesn't really sound much better than my Penta IIIs. Sure, it throws sound out wider, but that doesn't matter when I sit down for serious listening anyway as I'm not going to sit off in a corner of the room. Transducer technology has advanced SO far in the last 20 years that you can not just ignore that part of the equation.
One of the performance aspects and advantages of the Beolab 5 design with the acoustic lenses, over contemporary designs such as the B&W 800 series, is that by reducing midrange and treble beaming and consequently giving a very even polar, or 'power' response, deleterious room reflections propagated by an uneven polar response, are largely negated. This in turn helps with the sense of correct spatial perspectives as heard in real life - i.e. a concert hall with classical music for example, as well as a very well balanced frequency response at the listening position - regardless whether one is listening tightly on axis to the speaker drivers.
As to the drivers in the new Beolab 90, Scanspeaks Illuminators and Revelators are widely regarded to be amongst the very best 'audiophile' speaker transducers available.
The big advantage of the B&O design as always, will be a fully active speaker with prodigious DSP; something no passive design can hope to emulate in performance and control terms.
Certainly in terms of earlier B&W designs with the 800 series, excellent speakers though they are, the decision was made to NOT follow with active designs, not for technical, but purely commercial reasons. Audiophiles prefer to mix and match and tweak as the 'hobby', and as such, despite the proven advantages of fully active speakers, it would've been commercial folly for B&W to go down that path - most unfortunately I must say.
I accept that it's quite subjective and personal, but I respectfully disagree re the B&W 804 D re a Beolab 5 comparision. If the sense of not so much very high quality HiFi reproduction, but rather that one could suspend disbelief that one is listening to a real life performance and not a recording, then it is the Beolab 5 everytime when listening to 'natural' acoustic instruments.
In terms of bass extension and volume a B&W 804 D would simply be unable to compete - the Lab 5 is capable of clean output to around 16z on measured figures.
I'm not bagging B&W - I owned a pair of B&W speakers for the best part of 20 odd years - but I'd put my Beolab 9's somewhere between 803d's and 802d's in many ways, IF the closest approach to the original sound is the criteria. And the Beolab 5 sits well above a Beolab 9 in outright performance terms.
Personally, I think the speakers are aimed at different markets - B&W's 800 speakers are utterly superb - and aimed at the 'serious' audiophile; B&O's designs on the other hand, are equally superb, but aimed more or less at the music and film connoisseur; someone who has the resources to pay for very high quality speakers, and is mostly interested in the result, not in the method of getting there with wrist thick speaker cables sitting on cable risers on the floor, angle iron amplifier racks and microwave oven sized amplifiers making 'audiophile' statements in a room.
Speaking as a classical music lover and trained classical musician, and 'ex' audiophile (well, the neurotic kind at least!) B&O floats my boat better than any other 'brand' or design ethos I've come across in the HiF/AV/Audiophile world. But that's just me... :-)
Kind regards
John...
Or maybe help each other in order to sound better....
A future speaker should be able to locate persons in a room and adjust accordingly ~ ear level / height, distance / volume or beam forming , must be able to upgrade bad-audio quality input to some extend, connections should be modular or selectable aka upgradable. Top of my hat.
John:One of the performance aspects and advantages of the Beolab 5 design with the acoustic lenses, over contemporary designs such as the B&W 800 series, is that by reducing midrange and treble beaming and consequently giving a very even polar, or 'power' response, deleterious room reflections propagated by an uneven polar response, are largely negated. This in turn helps with the sense of correct spatial perspectives as heard in real life - i.e. a concert hall with classical music for example, as well as a very well balanced frequency response at the listening position - regardless whether one is listening tightly on axis to the speaker drivers. As to the drivers in the new Beolab 90, Scanspeaks Illuminators and Revelators are widely regarded to be amongst the very best 'audiophile' speaker transducers available. The big advantage of the B&O design as always, will be a fully active speaker with prodigious DSP; something no passive design can hope to emulate in performance and control terms. Certainly in terms of earlier B&W designs with the 800 series, excellent speakers though they are, the decision was made to NOT follow with active designs, not for technical, but purely commercial reasons. Audiophiles prefer to mix and match and tweak as the 'hobby', and as such, despite the proven advantages of fully active speakers, it would've been commercial folly for B&W to go down that path - most unfortunately I must say. I accept that it's quite subjective and personal, but I respectfully disagree re the B&W 804 D re a Beolab 5 comparision. If the sense of not so much very high quality HiFi reproduction, but rather that one could suspend disbelief that one is listening to a real life performance and not a recording, then it is the Beolab 5 everytime when listening to 'natural' acoustic instruments. In terms of bass extension and volume a B&W 804 D would simply be unable to compete - the Lab 5 is capable of clean output to around 16z on measured figures. I'm not bagging B&W - I owned a pair of B&W speakers for the best part of 20 odd years - but I'd put my Beolab 9's somewhere between 803d's and 802d's in many ways, IF the closest approach to the original sound is the criteria. And the Beolab 5 sits well above a Beolab 9 in outright performance terms. Personally, I think the speakers are aimed at different markets - B&W's 800 speakers are utterly superb - and aimed at the 'serious' audiophile; B&O's designs on the other hand, are equally superb, but aimed more or less at the music and film connoisseur; someone who has the resources to pay for very high quality speakers, and is mostly interested in the result, not in the method of getting there with wrist thick speaker cables sitting on cable risers on the floor, angle iron amplifier racks and microwave oven sized amplifiers making 'audiophile' statements in a room. Speaking as a classical music lover and trained classical musician, and 'ex' audiophile (well, the neurotic kind at least!) B&O floats my boat better than any other 'brand' or design ethos I've come across in the HiF/AV/Audiophile world. But that's just me... :-) Kind regards John...
We will see or better hear!
Muzies and Enjoy the Music
paolomariano:The day has come!! We will get to know everything today, won't we?
We will get to know everything today, won't we?
Yes, but only very few will HEAR everything today!
Not yet!
Another official leak:
http://www.recordere.dk/2015/10/bos-hemmelige-hoejttaler-er-beolab-90/
http://saved.im/mty2odi4egm3/bl90.png
Seems consistent with previous pics that have been posted.
Disseminating to the world's media is the top priority for Bang & Olufsen now.
Ideally, this speaker should be in as many hi fi popular websites and magazine (preferably at the front of a magazine/website) around the world. The worst thing that can happen beyond the usual lazy reviews that drum out the usual negative anti-B&O reviews with jibes about price or style over substance would be this product is pretty much ignored by the larger hi fi community and simply fades from mental existence.
Spoiler alert. Found these out in the open.
Livingroom: BL3, BL11, BV11-46 Kitchen: Beosound 1 GVA, Beocom 2 Bathroom: M3 Homeoffice: M3, Beocom 2 Library: Beosound Emerge, Beocom 6000 Bedroom: M5, Essence remote Travel: Beoplay E8 2.0, Beoplay EQ, Beoplay Earset
Everything we need to know - http://www.bang-olufsen.com/en/sound/loudspeakers/beolab-90
Cant wait to find out who designed it. I wonder if it was Torsten?
I wonder what the top would have looked like with the aluminium on it?
It's as big as a person!
FML - why is everything i like so expensive :-(
Hope its successful for B&O, even if it is a halo product, there are others in this same space. It looks great with the Avant.
Can't wait to hear these..
Aussie Michael: Cant wait to find out who designed it. I wonder if it was Torsten?
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