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Yeah, Alu/Walnut or Alu/Smoked Oak would be my dream combo. But maybe that's too classic a combination for the market nowadays.
It is in the B&O website - just checked again.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
It is in the B&O webpage - just checked again.
Csaba: Weird, the Emerge was on the webpage, now removed. Must be a glitch. Or they realized that John o’Manchester had not uploaded his review yet.
Weird, the Emerge was on the webpage, now removed. Must be a glitch. Or they realized that John o’Manchester had not uploaded his review yet.
My indeed harmless comments on that keeps getting blocked from admin....why?
It is there!
Duels:I like it a lot. And the price point seems very good to me.
Amazed it's not portable though? That threw me a little.
BV Harmony 65 / Eclipse 55 / BL 50 / 19 / 18 / BS 2 all brass
BV Horizon 48 / V1 40 / BL 17 / Beoplay S3 all black
V1 / BL 3 / BS Essence MKII / Beoplay A3 all white
BS Moment / BS 3000 / BS 3200 / BL 400 all silver
Headphones / bluetooth speakers / BLC NL-ML / BLGateway
I know…B&O virus has grown on me !
moxxey: Amazed it's not portable though? That threw me a little.
Hadn’t spotted that.
i guess the M5 and M3 aren't portable and this seems to be aimed at their space. Probably all part of hitting the price point.
But you're right, I assumed it was.
Fansastic:Looks very good indeed. Killer looks with the wooden panels. My preference would be a brass / smoked oak but would buy the gold version instantly...if it had Network Link. Now it is unusable in my setup. So predictable my comment but I do not understand why B&O is taking so long on this to develop. And as it is not mentioned in the specs, I simply do not trust them anymore for bringing NL to the latest products (3 now and soon BL28 to follow..). Feeling sad that new B&O products are targeted for new customers without any products already in their setup.
My preference would be a brass / smoked oak but would buy the gold version instantly...if it had Network Link. Now it is unusable in my setup.
So predictable my comment but I do not understand why B&O is taking so long on this to develop. And as it is not mentioned in the specs, I simply do not trust them anymore for bringing NL to the latest products (3 now and soon BL28 to follow..).
Feeling sad that new B&O products are targeted for new customers without any products already in their setup.
Engadget was told that Beolink would arrive in Fall 2021,
So at least it is not forgotten,
Link
Beovision Harmony 77" 2nd Gen, Beolab 5, Beolab 17, Beosound 1, Beoplay M3, Beoplay Portal, Beoplay Earset, Beoliving Intelligence
My AR Emerge has a little brother:
Millemissen:My AR Emerge has a little brother:
It looks like a cable modem or a wifi router. :)
(I’m surprised they managed to get a 4” woofer in there, however, so I hope it sounds good and as always, I hope it sells well!) For a smaller space as they suggest, however, I’d much prefer BS1. Though, yes, the cost is much more.
Currently: BeoLab 17, BeoLab 18, BeoSound Core, Beosound Level, Beosound A1 2nd Gen, BeoPlay S8 Connection Hub, Halo, Essence Remote
Previously: BeoSound 1 non-GVA
Much better looking than the M3 and M5. Let's wait for the first reviews.I guess the sound will be good for the size. I would have liked to have more color combinations choices.
benoit: Much better looking than the M3 and M5. Let's wait for the first reviews.I guess the sound will be good for the size. I would have liked to have more color combinations choices.
Agree,
There are already some reviews and they are positive.
Curly: It looks like a cable modem or a wifi router. :)
Yes, in particular to a generation that don’t know how a book looks like ;-)
I can't understand that kind of comment: why is it "much better looking" and why are suddenly M3 and M5 looking not so good?
Because the emerge has an undefined shape that make it "not look like speaker"?, because it's an intriguing appliance that will certainly raise questions on fancy diners? or only because wood is a so forgotten material that now everything wooden is suddenly "so disruptive"?
I'm sorry, but there was a saying or maybe it is just a website catchline that said "form and function". Lets say I cant really appreciate the function part for whatever reasons, the form isn't there and it clearly not serve the function. B&O lately come with too much useless fancy tricks maybe to hide the lack of true and real novelty:
- Harmony is just a joke.- Balance, by the name, make us believe that some B&O magic would happen around the feet, but its just a flower pot shaped speaker (even if a good one).- Edge was… What was edge. Oh yes, you can adjust volume by tilting the speaker…- Beolab 28 are "we tried to include a bass driver because nobody wanted to spend 3500€ more after 5000€ to have a bass punch, but we didnt manage to do it while keeping the slim, iconic, beautiful design of the 18's. We even didnt managed to keep the signature ALT, visible."- Contour, was an attempt to update the very beautifully designed useless Beovision Horizon, but making it more desirable and reliable… Bof, it looks like an expensive fake Beovision Horizon.- And so on…
Of course people may argue about the ecosystem: interaction, linking, integration… But what's really left from that? Networklink is dying at the best, dead actually. People who praise B&O is either an old (analog) stuff collector (I am), a sick man (I am), or someone who relies on an old Masterlink/NL system and frenetically browsing classified ads to keep is system future proof (I mean "in working condition").
Sorry, I'm drifting from my actual answer which was in short:"Does a fridge look cool, because he looks like a washing machine, or is iconic design something else?"
(Sorry guys for raising my tone)
Matador43 : "Much better looking" was maybe not that appropriate or that much understandable but by telling this I mean that according to my taste I prefer a design that doesn't immediately reveals what it is and I like the use of wood that gives a more classy-natural-sensitive look to the device. I personally would not spend so much more for something that is not that much better if the design was not to my eyes much better. M3 and M5 to my taste just look like speakers that I could find in every shop and especially the M3 is just a plastic box with a small aluminium part. Maybe I attach too much importance to the fact that I like a different design but that's my opinion. If I can afford it, when I'm looking for something new, most of the time I try to find something different, less common, to bring a part of poetry or mystery, like a Methven Aio shower, an extra-flat hood that doesn't look like a hood, or an Ingo Maurer flame electronic candle, ... I really think that every object or furniture in my environment are a part of it and "interact" together to create a peaceful living harmony.
LOL matador43 thanks for this great post! You made me smile a lot :)
Say it how it is!
Actually I do also agree with benoit that the Emerge is a more interesting shape and design over the M3/M5 speakers but that’s just to my eyes; of course we are all different. I love your description of the Balance being a flower pot!! That was good! The Harmony... well I do like it and if I can squeeze such a large TV into my small lounge I might get one, I am twiddling my fingers all the time over this one. The Edge... what is it? LOL again brilliant! I could go on but... Your humour is fabulous, thanks for making my day!
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
@ benoit.
Of course. Even if my post was a little "cavalier" it wasn't intend as a judgment.
It's just that nowadays design seems to have been replaced by "unexpected form": you take anything, you give it the shape of something else, you drawn it in any wording shenanigans and you declare it is iconic, like movies that are "cult" even before reaching the audience.
It's too easy and it sometimes cover a lack of novelty. Can you believe the last groundbreaking feature of the revolutionary (in his time) VW golf is… you can adjust volume by weaving your hand in the air ?
Now let's be honest: if the Emerge has some feature or use that is new, efficient, never seen or well engineered, ok, Why not: all tastes allowed.If its just another speaker with a weird form factor (that wording must never have been go public), I cant see the point and rather and M3 or an M5 that looks like a speaker because they are speakers.
(wasn't there a movie or tv show or ad, where appliance were so designed that they did'nt look what they were and a guest was keeping confusing them?)
matador43:M3 or an M5 that looks like a speaker because they are speakers
Hmmmm, that would explain a lot of things…
matador43: @ benoit. Of course. Even if my post was a little "cavalier" it wasn't intend as a judgment. It's just that nowadays design seems to have been replaced by "unexpected form": you take anything, you give it the shape of something else, you drawn it in any wording shenanigans and you declare it is iconic, like movies that are "cult" even before reaching the audience. It's too easy and it sometimes cover a lack of novelty. Can you believe the last groundbreaking feature of the revolutionary (in his time) VW golf is… you can adjust volume by weaving your hand in the air ? Now let's be honest: if the Emerge has some feature or use that is new, efficient, never seen or well engineered, ok, Why not: all tastes allowed.If its just another speaker with a weird form factor (that wording must never have been go public), I cant see the point and rather and M3 or an M5 that looks like a speaker because they are speakers. (wasn't there a movie or tv show or ad, where appliance were so designed that they did'nt look what they were and a guest was keeping confusing them?)
If I wanted a speaker that looked like a speaker I would choose another brand...
I have the M3 in my bathroom, very good 200 euro speaker, but boring to look at, and it is just plastic.
Emil Jensen:If I wanted a speaker that looked like a speaker I would choose another brand...
Don't say that to people who criticize B&O for being Style over Substance…(200€ ? you're lucky!)
I think it is now sad.....sad that a company such as B&O with all their inovation and history is now just reduced to knocking out Chinese built wireless solitary speakers endlessly! Again and again and again. We all have these now surely? I have 3 that I don't use!
Keep re-inventing the wheel........it's still a wheel.
When you look at a 30 year old Beocentre 9500 and compare with today don't you just shudder? I do.
The designs of the recent stuff has been decent enough for the most part.
But at the same time they all fall far short of anything with wow factor, and its hard to think any will be regarded as classic.
The last (that could conceivably make its way into MOMA) is the A9.
An argument could be made for the BS1 and BS2, but not a strong argument.
The rest (Edge, Shape, Level, Balance, Emerge, M series) range between not good (Balance) to pretty nice (Level).
These single point wireless units (and I guess headphones too) are where a good chunk of sales are available I suppose - but I agree, while its good to have refreshed designs etc, its not the most inspiring set of releases.
The only thing in a newer / different product category was the Halo, and thats been a missed opportunity (its hardly sparked a lot of buzz even here has it?)
Onwards I guess...
Beofile7: I think it is now sad.....sad that a company such as B&O with all their inovation and history is now just reduced to knocking out Chinese built wireless solitary speakers endlessly! Again and again and again. We all have these now surely? I have 3 that I don't use! Keep re-inventing the wheel........it's still a wheel. When you look at a 30 year old Beocentre 9500 and compare with today don't you just shudder? I do.
The Emerge looks pretty cool. I might be interested in a pair if I can use them as speakers for my computer.
When you’d take away what of the BC9500 is absolutely useless as of today, there would not be much left....to design.
The design of the BC9500 has had it’s time, because of the functions it covered (yes, covered) - a piece of aluminium and some touch controls behind a piece of glass isn’t much of a design after all, but it was different, different than anything else at that time, I must admit.
Some look back - others try to find a way forward.
Don’t expect me to agree with you.
matador43:Don't say that to people who criticize B&O for being Style over Substance… (200€ ? you're lucky!)
Beovision 7-55 MK1 red, Beolab 10 red. Beolab 50, all black. Beolab 17 broken ice. Beolab transmitter. Apple tv4 and apple express 2.
While reading about the new Emerge, my thoughts were as follows:
"Damn,... another mono speaker"
"Isn't that woofer firing directly into a solid panel? How would they have gotten that to sound good?"
"Looks good enough to me, the price is 'alright, and I'm sure it sounds great'"
Millemissen:The design of the BC9500 has had it’s time, because of the functions it covered (yes, covered) - a piece of aluminium and some touch controls behind a piece of glass isn’t much of a design after all, but it was different, different than anything else at that time, I must admit. Some look back - others try to find a way forward. Don’t expect me to agree with you. MM
The products breathe more "NOW" than "the NEXT" in design, concept and specs.
Earle:While reading about the new Emerge, my thoughts were as follows: "Damn,... another mono speaker" "Isn't that woofer firing directly into a solid panel? How would they have gotten that to sound good?" "Looks good enough to me, the price is 'alright, and I'm sure it sounds great'" "Damn,... another mono speaker"
Millemissen:Some look back - others try to find a way forward.
You are absolutely right, and trust me it's my everyday curse to look back and want the thing to remains still.But at the same time you can't say a BC9500 is useless today! Lot of people have them around for everyday use.(and as a CC user you must know that).
You may have noticed that they are "families" on the forum:
- those who use streaming, - those who use HD streaming,- those who use physical support,- those who use NL (and don't understand Airplay or CC),- those who use Airplay or CC (and don't understand the benefit of NL).
There is something in my mind I have since BL28 announcement and something you said (you MM) about "how they can be use".
To me a speaker is a speaker, be it active or passive, you plug it and it works! But when I read all this mess about - master, slave, digital in, software update, autotune room, etc etc… and all the incompatibilities that come along, I praise myself to have just BL4000 "Speakers". And the only wish I have abut BL28 is that they will lower the price of BL18 on second hand market - my dream.
So, a speaker is a speaker and it can be connecte to any amp, any thing, any source as long as electrical requirement are ok, with maybe some bad results but it should work.
Nowadays, even buying an (expensive) speaker seems to be so difficult.
And no need to say that all the electronic inside a BL28 may just mean that B&O may one day decide your speaker is no more wanted and just brick it.
So Yes, I'm looking to the past, because the past is owned and unconnected. You should know if your remember my posts that I'm streaming to Apple Airport on different old analogs B&O devices: got the joy of them and the flexibility of streaming, independent from any their party platform who may or may not suspend his service one day or another. OK, its my way and its work for me. I can't see the benefit of NL and I know you're a lot around that dont understand I dont understand.
Anyway, what I wanted to say is: yes its good to look forward in a lot of matters, but when it comes for a reliable, comfortable, stable, independent way to enjoy music (between other things), I dont want a future involving a third party with other goals (See Sonos…)
According to the US website, it's not expected until October 2021... maybe just in time for the NL support
I think this is decent effort (assuming it sounds good). It is unlike any other speaker I've seen. Besides, according to a review I read somewhere the "traffic cone" form factor is played out. Everybody and their little brother has one (Apple, Bose, B&O, chinese knockoffs).
The Level is a cutting board. The Emerge is a wooden book. Not everyone wants a speaker that says "Look at me!".
Toward the larger question of "why another stand alone speaker", I regularly use an M3, BS1 and BS2. I occasionally use a BS9000 + BS5 + BL1s + BL2 + BL3500, and an Essence + BL4. I have a pair of BL4000s and BL8000s that I don't use. I haven't sold them in case one of my kids wants them, but they're too "old fashion" right now. Maybe in a few more years, there will be renewed interest from a retro perspective. They're also a bit of a hard sell in the US. Not much brand awareness. Expensive to ship. The youngsters are not interested.
At this point, I think I'm covered speaker wise (I mean, I have 2 sets of very decent speakers that I'm not use ), but I could see this Emerge replacing the M3 at some point (assuming good reviews and NL support). I'm not interested in the BL28. Maybe B&O is investing where they should (assuming they're actually adding NL to the Mozart platform).
Also, I don't really use headphones, but I'm not whining about "why another headphone?". If it sells, B&O should build it because I'd rather live in a world with quirky B&O speakers (even if I have no use for many of them) than without.
Millemissen: ..a piece of aluminium and some touch controls behind a piece of glass isn’t much of a design after all, ......
..a piece of aluminium and some touch controls behind a piece of glass isn’t much of a design after all, ......
Absolute horsesh1t!!
It was staggering in its day and still draws admirers even now!
I struggle to think of anything in the current line-up of which you could say the same.
Ban boring signatures!
Puncher: It was staggering in its day and still draws admirers even now! I struggle to think of anything in the current line-up of which you could say the same.
Duels: Puncher: It was staggering in its day and still draws admirers even now! I struggle to think of anything in the current line-up of which you could say the same. My BL18s get just as many admiring comments as my older stuff did including my BS9000.
My BL18s get just as many admiring comments as my older stuff did including my BS9000.
Not really a recent design though, it's a blinged up 8000 (which I personally don't like - I always think of someone painting a bodywarmer and a bobble hat on the mona lisa)
Puncher:Not really a recent design though, it's a blinged up 8000 (which I personally don't like - I always think of someone painting a bodywarmer and a bobble hat on the mona lisa) Ban boring signatures!
Duels: Puncher: Not really a recent design though, it's a blinged up 8000 (which I personally don't like - I always think of someone painting a bodywarmer and a bobble hat on the mona lisa) Ban boring signatures! Fair enough but that wasn’t what you said. You said you struggled to see anything in the current line up of which you could say the same. And in my experience BL18s really do get the same type of comments.
Puncher: Not really a recent design though, it's a blinged up 8000 (which I personally don't like - I always think of someone painting a bodywarmer and a bobble hat on the mona lisa) Ban boring signatures!
Fair enough but that wasn’t what you said.
You said you struggled to see anything in the current line up of which you could say the same. And in my experience BL18s really do get the same type of comments.
Yeah that's what I said - maybe I should have said "any of the new designs"
Puncher:Yeah that's what I said - maybe I should have said "any of the new designs" Ban boring signatures!