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So will it only come in 48'' (based on the CX-48 I presume)? If that's true, and the price is around EUR 5k that looks like a tough sale unfortunately. 55'' at 5k would be easier to digest (taking into consideration the price of the CX + Stage + stand which is at around EUR 3.5-4.0k).
Actually we know nothing - apart from a picture/a hint on a facebook site, that is now gone again.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Beovision Contour is mentioned in today’s iOS update of the B&O app 😊
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Indeed, alongside support for Beogram 4000 (?)
https://imgshare.io/image/NTptgK
flatwhite: Indeed, alongside support for Beogram 4000 (?) https://imgshare.io/image/NTptgK
That doesn't look like a simple frame and 'Stage & panel' combo which someone else mentioned on another thread. Looks decent.
Oh well....but not in mine ;-(
Picture seems fine - eager to learn more.
Millemissen: Oh well....but not in mine ;-( Picture seems fine - eager to learn more. MM
Indeed... Descent BeoVision design...
Indeed. It looks like a BeoVision with some classic elements from earlier designs. Looking forward to learn more in near future.
Looks nice but no NL and PL kill it for me.
Great looking set though
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Seanie_230: Looks nice but no NL and PL kill it for me. Great looking set though
NL and/or PL will probably be for the mk II version. Same thing rumoured for the Stage...
The Stage is NL compatible, so why shouldn’t the BV Contour be NL compatible as well.
The question is: will it have an audio engine, that will alow for a multichannel setup using Beolabs?
Millemissen: The Stage is NL compatible, so why shouldn’t the BV Contour be NL compatible as well. The question is: will it have an audio engine, that will alow for a multichannel setup using Beolabs? MM
I think all those questions will be answered shortly when the set is released.
PL outputs may cost a bit of R&D for B&O but it drives speaker sales...
What about the Canvas speaker stand? (Canvas.audio) the contour is finally approximately the same concept, but it will soon become a product, not just a vaporware... interestingly, the canvas was starting at 55 inches (for an estimated price of USD 2000 without the LG panel)
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Millemissen:The question is: will it have an audio engine, that will alow for a multichannel setup using Beolabs?
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Hiort:According to the intelligence I have received, it will not...
Might be that in B&O strategic decision making chain there is still a lot of old fashioned "restrict-unless-you-pay-for-all" thinking vs modern "start-free-and-then-pay-for-content" approach in product design and marketing. Imagine you buy a basic Stage, and then you pay 500€ to unlock WISA. Wouldn't that be cool?
Buy a Contour, and unlock features if you need them. How much a small logic board with electronic could cost today, to be embedded as a part of the basic config? I am so afraid B&O is mentally obsolete in the modern world that just do not tolerate that kind of entitled attitude.
Anyway, I like how Contour looks like and I sincerely wish it becomes a bestseller.
I do wonder how much bespoke b&o electronic design really happens these days rather than off-the-shelf solutions cobbled together or ready-made designs sourced in China.
Ban boring signatures!
The Contour looks amazing, well done to who ever designed it.
I don't think the name suits it though.
Even though I have a beautiful BV14 in the bedroom, and use it as a stand alone television, I'm not sure I would have purchased it if it didn't have the possibility to add additional speakers incase I wanted to move it to another room or so on.
That's one thing that is stopping me buying a Stage, no engine to run additional speakers.
It's only speculation at this stage until it's all released.
Congrats B&O.
Puncher: I do wonder how much bespoke b&o electronic design really happens these days rather than off-the-shelf solutions cobbled together or ready-made designs sourced in China.
Very little I would imagine. Same for the aesthetic design on some products, but not all.
Judging from people’s posts it seems many are liking the design of the Contour from the photos but personally, I think it’s a rather weak effort on B&Os part. Perhaps a new customer to the brand might find it slightly interesting but I feel those who have had a BV10/11/14 may not find the design that exciting as it looks far too similar. I am waiting to move on from my BV11 and ready when something different comes along. The Contour won’t be that television though. The Harmony might have been if it wasn’t so large but I just can’t accommodate such a big footprint.
I feel certain now that my next TV will be the LG Signature W9, or W10 should a further update come out following CES in the new year. I’ll probably buy the Stage to go with it so at least there will still be something B&O present. The overall experience will be great I am sure, but it will also feel incomplete or unfinished without the B&O curtains, menus and one remote. B&O have made it clear for some time now the direction they are heading, which sadly and as a personal opinion only, is a little less B&O each year.
Still, I shall be very happy with these two products as I’ve loved the wallpaper televisions since the first release. I honestly don’t think anything on the market today looks as good as that as a statement piece to have on your wall. I suppose I just wish it had come from B&O, but I can’t expect them to do it all, or can I?
Simon.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
ButziBaer:I think in the second week of november. I saw a price from 5600 € with a manual wall bracket.
I saw a price from 5600 € with a manual wall bracket.
LOL. No thanks.
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5600€ is too steep. I might replace my BV14-40 with something bigger. 48" would be perfect. But since the Contour will, supposedly, not have any PL's then it's of no use to me. Too bad. B&O could have sold me one... But I'm gonna pass.. how good it may look..
Historically there has always been an entry level BeoVision without surround processing capability. Having an entry level product for bedroom/kitchen/small household/ low nett worth housholds ;) makes sense I guess.
I’m especially wondering if the streaming platform is based on the Stage generation or the Balance-generation. If it’s the Balance, it could well be able (in future) to be paired over IP with extra speakers. There was promise of that functionality in the literature on the Balance I believe.
1990: Historically there has always been an entry level BeoVision without surround processing capability. Having an entry level product for bedroom/kitchen/small household/ low nett worth housholds ;) makes sense I guess. I’m especially wondering if the streaming platform is based on the Stage generation or the Balance-generation. If it’s the Balance, it could well be able (in future) to be paired over IP with extra speakers. There was promise of that functionality in the literature on the Balance I believe.
Actually thats a really interesting point, maybe no PL could be becuase it can send music via IP rather than cable which would make sense, i woudl expect both options though like current TV's support PL and WISA.
interesting set and actually as a Bedroom TV that for me doesn't need extra speakers a stand alone TV that has NL woudl be perfect.
If of course I wanted a TV in my bedroom that is
Historically the "entry" level (MX/BeoVision1/BeoVision6) received PL connections. Even the BeoPlay V1 (B&O's most entry level TV in the last 8 years!) had PL connections!
Releasing a BeoVision (with that name!) in 2020 for > 5000€ without the possibility to connect your BeoLab speakers makes no sense at all.
The Beonic Man: Judging from people’s posts it seems many are liking the design of the Contour from the photos but personally, I think it’s a rather weak effort on B&Os part. Perhaps a new customer to the brand might find it slightly interesting
Judging from people’s posts it seems many are liking the design of the Contour from the photos but personally, I think it’s a rather weak effort on B&Os part. Perhaps a new customer to the brand might find it slightly interesting
I think that's mostly the point for this product. Not saying I'm loving the design, but it's better than expected and it's low cost.
People expect too much I think. They expect modern unique designs (ie. a BV14 replacement) in a period where people aren't spending tonnes of cash on luxury goods in a lockdown. Most B&O stores have spent the year closed. B&O has to adapt around this.
I'm sure so many people are blinkered here to what's actually happening around them. I'm assuming a lot of people are, dare I say it, fairly comfortably well off, so are a bit limited in their vision to what the market is demanding/wanting and what a tiny and low-resourced company such as B&O can pull off in 2020.
The Contour might not be a design classic, but neither was the Horizon for me. And I bet the Contour has a far better audio system if it uses a Stage.
I've done a bit of internet sleuthing, as well as disassembly of recent products, and can answer this question
The electronic design is definitely bespoke. For example, the boards in the Beoremote Halo can be seen here: https://fccid.io/TTU-HALOTABLE/Internal-Photos/Internal-photos-4627850That is truly a ground-up design, not using any off-the-shelf modules. I'm not brave enough yet to dismantle my own Halo to determine what specific chips they're using, but I suspect the design uses a small ARM processor running embedded Linux.
I discovered from my internet sleuthing that they have a new design partner in Asia within the last two or three years, so at least some of the hardware design work is being outsourced to lower-cost development locations. I also discovered that the software for the Beosound Moment was outsourced to Tata in India, but it seems most likely that they've abandoned that relationship along with the product.
Finally, LinkedIn is currently showing that they are hiring a Software Manager in Lyngby who will be in charge of two development teams totaling 15 developers. LinkedIn also shows a posting for a Senior Software Test Engineer / Manager in Singapore.
So it appears that B&O is indeed making bespoke products, and has a global team of in-house as well as contracted hardware and software developers.
Now I just need to figure out how to get myself (a hardware designer) into their hardware development team!
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Looks like the Contour is a Stage
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Does anyone know if it'll have a motorised stand?
Emil Jensen:Looks like the Contour is a Stage
Yes and that would mean
No PL
No WiSa
No PUC
No motor stand
ngnear:Look like there is a version of the stage designed for use with the Contour.
BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
Emil Jensen:Yes and that would mean No PL No WiSa No PUC No motor stand Beovision Eclipse, Beolab 5, Beolab 17, Beosound 1 Google assist, Beoplay M3, Beoplay H6, Beoplay Earset
Emil Jensen: Yes and that would mean No PL No WiSa No PUC No motor stand
Do we know that for sure? What do we know about the Stage 2?
I believe the current Stage was already called “AL2”. So I guess no Mk2! Just current Stage without alu frame to drop into the Contour.
mbolo01:When adding the Contour to the app you can see the following: BS Moment, BS Core, BG 4002, BC 4500, BS1, BL18, BL19, BL8000 + RCV1, A6, M5, M3, A1, P6 (tks Botty), H5, TR1
Beolab 50, Beolab 8000 x 2, Beolab 4000 x 2, BeoSound Core, BeoSound 9000, BeoSound Century, BeoLit 15, BeoPlay A1, BeoPlay P2, BeoPlay H9 3rd Gen, BeoPlay H6, EarSet 3i, BeoVision Eclipse Gen 2 55", BeoPlay V1-40, BeoCom 6000 and so much else :)