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When is the official launch date?
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What is this little white piece in the middle of the screen?
Hiort:This Is an illustration I’ve got.
.....and probably a copy of what OliverC posted in this thread on page 3.
The only known picture untill now.
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There is a tv - and there is a BV
Thanks 👍🏼
Emil Jensen: Yes and that would mean No PL No WiSa No PUC No motor stand
Yes and that would mean
No PL
No WiSa
No PUC
No motor stand
Really perplexes me why people make such a big thing of these 'features'. I wonder if people think they might need them, so figure they want them, even if they are never actually used?
I've owned various B&O TVs on a motorised stand. Figured it was a luxury I could live without. I never move the TV! Sure sometimes it's nice to have it pointing in another direction when in standby, but it's something I can easily live without. And have done for years.
WISA isn't really anything to demand from your TV. PUC has long since stopped controlling modern devices anyhow. A Sky Q box is an example.
Also, this is designed as a cheap B&O TV to sit in the corner of your room. I think the wood option will look good, too. I'm already thinking if I use my GX 55" with the Eclipse v2 stand, I'll have a spare Stage which could be used with the Contour - I can't imagine B&O shipping the CX, much like it doesn't ship the GX with the Eclipse v2, leaving this to the dealer to order and install.
My Beoremote 1 controls my Sky Q box.....not sure what the issue is (unless I'm missing something)
Of course the BR 1 has its limitations controlling peripheral devices - it doesnt replicate full functionality of a SKY Q or Apple TV remote, lacking scrolll pads and voice control etc....so in that sense I can see why PUC shouldn't be viewed as some panacea, but its still does most of the everyday stuff well enough.
**side note, my SKY Q remote seems to be able to control the volume of my BV12-65 / BS4......wasnt expecting that?! (not that I use the Q remote, its been hidden away.
moxxey: Emil Jensen: Yes and that would mean No PL No WiSa No PUC No motor stand Really perplexes me why people make such a big thing of these 'features'. I wonder if people think they might need them, so figure they want them, even if they are never actually used? I've owned various B&O TVs on a motorised stand. Figured it was a luxury I could live without. I never move the TV! Sure sometimes it's nice to have it pointing in another direction when in standby, but it's something I can easily live without. And have done for years. WISA isn't really anything to demand from your TV. PUC has long since stopped controlling modern devices anyhow. A Sky Q box is an example. Also, this is designed as a cheap B&O TV to sit in the corner of your room. I think the wood option will look good, too. I'm already thinking if I use my GX 55" with the Eclipse v2 stand, I'll have a spare Stage which could be used with the Contour - I can't imagine B&O shipping the CX, much like it doesn't ship the GX with the Eclipse v2, leaving this to the dealer to order and install.
Sandyb: My Beoremote 1 controls my Sky Q box.....not sure what the issue is (unless I'm missing something)
Are you sure? How? The 4K Sky Q box is notorious for not being externally controllable. There was never a PUC option on my BV11 either (although there was for Sky HD).
What can you control? There's basic control via the TV, but I can't change channel, for example.
moxxey: Emil Jensen: Yes and that would mean No PL No WiSa No PUC No motor stand Really perplexes me why people make such a big thing of these 'features'. I wonder if people think they might need them, so figure they want them, even if they are never actually used?
So for me it does not matter for me with the Contour, as it is only 48"
But these features I mention, I use everyday.
PL to my Beolab 5
WiSa to my surround Beolab 17
PUC for my Apple TV
The Motorstand, When I sit in the corner of my sofa, I press one of the Mybuttons, and the TV turns to that position, while the Speaker setup calibrates it to that position also, so the sound is correct wherever I choose to sit.
I would not buy a Beovision without these functions, at least not for my livingroom.
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Emil Jensen: I would not buy a Beovision without these functions, at least not for my livingroom.
My point is/was, an increasing number of people won't or don't use them and controlling the TV direction from a remote really is a luxury not necessary on those low-end TVs. That's why they sit in that bracket. Almost no-one is going to connect a Horizon or Contour to a BL5.
I do agree PL is lacking and should have been added, but that's an issue with the Stage, but the rest for me - and many - are increasingly superfluous.
We have to remember, and we almost never do, that the BeoWorld audience is not your general B&O audience and B&O has to design accordingly to the wider market.
moxxey: Emil Jensen: I would not buy a Beovision without these functions, at least not for my livingroom. My point is/was, an increasing number of people won't or don't use them and controlling the TV direction from a remote really is a luxury not necessary on those low-end TVs. That's why they sit in that bracket. Almost no-one is going to connect a Horizon or Contour to a BL5. I do agree PL is lacking and should have been added, but that's an issue with the Stage, but the rest for me - and many - are increasingly superfluous. We have to remember, and we almost never do, that the BeoWorld audience is not your general B&O audience and B&O has to design accordingly to the wider market.
But in my experience most B&O users use their motorized stand, and have been used to it since the 90'
And yes it is a Luxury, but is that not the reason to buy a Beovision?
And the Harmony have only got a motorized stand now because of public demand.
So I really do not agree with you on this point.
Moxxey, I use a Beoremote one to fully control my Sky Q 2TB box via PUC on a BV11-55. I never use the sky remote which is actually put away in the attic. The BR One does everything..
I ask you a question: what should now be the right Beovision to replace a BV 8-40 with 5 connected beolabs (not BL5 ...)? The Contour would have been perfect in size and price. Or am I wrong ?
@mseverg68 : yes you're completely wrong as the Contour doesn't have any output for your 5 speakers. I'm also considering upgrading my BV8 40 with something better, hesitating between Harmony and Eclipse, but with a little 15-month child at home I think I might better wait some more years
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Emil Jensen:And the Harmony have only got a motorized stand now because of public demand.
I can give you the exact opposite argument with the Eclipse which has now a fixed stand option because of public demand! Maybe there is approx 50% of users needing it and 50% that doesn't care!
moxxey: Sandyb: My Beoremote 1 controls my Sky Q box.....not sure what the issue is (unless I'm missing something) Are you sure? How? The 4K Sky Q box is notorious for not being externally controllable. There was never a PUC option on my BV11 either (although there was for Sky HD). What can you control? There's basic control via the TV, but I can't change channel, for example.
Sure as a sure thing. Sky Q box on my Eclipse since day 1 is controlled - with all functions excluding voice control - by onboard PUC. Super reliable as well.
mbee:I can give you the exact opposite argument with the Eclipse which has now a fixed stand option because of public demand! Maybe there is approx 50% of users needing it and 50% that doesn't care! diisign.com
Beofan with current setup Beovison Eclipse 55, Beosound 35, Beolab 6000, Beolab 11, Beoplay A9 Mk4, Beoplay E6
The BV Horizon didn’t came with a motorised floor stand, as the V1-40or BV8, and while the BV Contour has almost the aspect of a BV 11, it’s an entry-level Beovision so we’re accustomed of not seeing motorised stand for this category...
But the real issue is that the Contour is just a stage + LG 48 panel + a frame, so unfortunately, as for power link, there is no dedicated electronics inside it to control a stand
moxxey:Are you sure? How? The 4K Sky Q box is notorious for not being externally controllable. There was never a PUC option on my BV11 either (although there was for Sky HD). What can you control? There's basic control via the TV, but I can't change channel, for example.
Here it is on display already.
https://ibb.co/L9g8MW5
Exist to create
Nice looking TV!
Regarding the debate about motorised stands, for me a motorised stand is essential because of very different room sitting positions. However, motorised stands are now undoubtedly less necessary for many situations, The latest screens, unlike early LCD's, have wide viewing angles, both side to side and up and down. Also, big 55” plus screens are becoming the standard and are more likely to be fixed to a flat wall or left in one stand position simply because of their size.
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Daniel:Here it is on display already. https://ibb.co/L9g8MW5 Exist to create
That is from the B&O store in Hamburg......if I am not mistaken.
Daniel: Here it is on display already. https://ibb.co/L9g8MW5
Why aren't I surprised the Moment in the background has the back panel off?
L O L at the moment comment 🤣
Beovision 10, Beoplay V1, Beolab 17, Beolab 9, Beolab 4, Beosound 2, Beosound Moment x 2, Beoplay M3, Beogram 1700
Quick math on the price tag:
LG panel is about 1500€Stage is about 1500€So you pay a premium of about 3000€ for the frame and stand (and maybe remote?). It’s not cheap, but not crazy expensive either. There seems to be a lot of aluminum. Personally I think the design is to “heavy” and not elegant. But maybe that will change when I see it live (as with so many of B&Os products).
As many others in this thread the TV is not for me based solely on the lack of PL. I still think that it’s a huge mistake not to include PL in all their TVs. Even though the customer doesn’t have any B&O speakers right now, the PL connections is the gateway for them to start a B&O collection. If the Contour is your first B&O tv, then it will be extremely expensive to add speakers, as you not only needs to buy the speakers but also a new TV which is another price class. People who buy the Contour properly have less cash to spend in the first place, so this TV ends up being a one time only purchase customer or your secondary B&O TV.
Beovision Eclipse gen2 (GX) w/ floorstand, Beolab 14.2, 4 speaker Shape and ATV4/Chromecast.
Beoplay A9mk4 GVA, Beosound 1 GVA, H2, H3, H8, E6, Beoplay EQ
I think that the typical demand of forum users here differs largely from that of a mainstream client. For many people, especially those that have some sort of design awareness, TVs are horrible. You need one in your living room for the rare get-together where you watch a movie or maybe some Netflix on lazy weekends. But most of the time, the TV just sits there and takes a lot of room, especially in a small city apartment. Some of my friends even abandoned the TV completely and only watch shows on their iPad.
The demand for a great looking, all-in-one, small footprint, floor-standing TV thus is huge. You see the difference when browsing through Tech Forums, where everyone is aiming for 55", 65" or even larger Screens - but in reality, many electronic markets are reporting that the new 48 OLEDs are actually very sought after and often sold out.
For the audience I'm describing, there is no plan to add large and expensive speakers at any point. What they might want is some sort of multiroom feature, which the Stage (and so the Contour I guess) supports. I think this sort of young, urban living, design aware and but ultra techy client is a very attractive market for many brands.
I think tuxian is right. A magnificent all-in-one 48 oled tv has its place in many european homes.
I really like the frame and the integration of the Stage. The floor stand is nice too.I can't wait to see the other stands.
For me, 2 things are missing from these Beovisions (Eclipse, Harmony and Contour) : a "more B&O" UI different from the LG WebOs and the trademark electronic curtain :-)). Of course, i can live without it, but it's these little details that i love on a B&O tv.
PS : i hope the PUC is there...
Mikael:Quick math on the price tag: LG panel is about 1500€ Stage is about 1500€ So you pay a premium of about 3000€ for the frame and stand (and maybe remote?). It’s not cheap, but not crazy expensive either. There seems to be a lot of aluminum. Personally I think the design is to “heavy” and not elegant. But maybe that will change when I see it live (as with so many of B&Os products). As many others in this thread the TV is not for me based solely on the lack of PL. I still think that it’s a huge mistake not to include PL in all their TVs. Even though the customer doesn’t have any B&O speakers right now, the PL connections is the gateway for them to start a B&O collection. If the Contour is your first B&O tv, then it will be extremely expensive to add speakers, as you not only needs to buy the speakers but also a new TV which is another price class. People who buy the Contour properly have less cash to spend in the first place, so this TV ends up being a one time only purchase customer or your secondary B&O TV. Beoplay V1 with Beo4, Beolab 14.4 and ATV4/Chromecast. Beoplay A2, A9mki (w/ Chromecast Audio), H2, H3, H8.
Interesting that a retailer has it on display but it’s not up on B&O’s website yet....?
Anyway, it looks very, very nice to me. It looks like a Horizon with its deep frame. But I’m not a buyer because I want 5.1 surround. I’m sure it’ll sell well for those who want a smaller TV and sound bar.
I wish they made a 55” Harmony.
Currently: BeoLab 17, BeoLab 18, BeoSound Core, Beosound Level, Beosound A1 2nd Gen, BeoPlay S8 Connection Hub, Halo, Essence Remote
Previously: BeoSound 1 non-GVA
Sandyb: Agreed, the design looks pretty average
Agreed, the design looks pretty average
Looking at that Contour in the dealer's window, I'd have to agree. Too much plain aluminium.
But didn't someone say a wood version is on the way? Not sure if I read this correctly.
Looks like a good package. I’m just worried about the stand. It looks very chunky and not elegant at all. It’ll look better at a BV7 stand with an STB adapter.
moxxey: But didn't someone say a wood version is on the way? Not sure if I read this correctly.
From what I´ve heard, the wood version only involve the speaker section.
The aluminium seems to be anodised matt.
Te anthracite could be amazing.
Unless my eyes deceive me, I think above the Bang and Olufsen text (top of speaker/bottom of tv) you can see what appears to be the LG badge; for me this kills it immediately. Why would I pay a B&O price to see an LG badge? Makes no sense to me whatsoever it really doesn’t.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
I quite like the appearance, but I honestly prefer the look of the Horizon. (I really LOVE the way the Horizon looks!)
But I just can't fathom spending $7150 USD (6042 EUR) for it when I can buy the exact same TV for $1500 and the same soundbar for $1750. That means B&O are charging $3900 USD (3300 EUR) for the stand and the frame which holds them together. That's just silly.
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Agreed Alex on price vs specs etc and I also prefer the design of the Horizon.