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TWG:Is the OS still uncustomized and you'll see the flashy LG Web OS?
Sandyb: TWG: Is the OS still uncustomized and you'll see the flashy LG Web OS? Of course yes. Why would it be any different?
TWG: Is the OS still uncustomized and you'll see the flashy LG Web OS?
Is the OS still uncustomized and you'll see the flashy LG Web OS?
Of course yes.
Why would it be any different?
Because it's Bang & Olufsen and it's not understandable that they at least don't even ask LG to customize the user interface into Bang & Olufsen style. For me as a customer that's the reason I didn't buy the new generation LGs. It gives the impression of a half baked product that didn't get enough love or where development endend after 90% of the product.
TWG: Because it's Bang & Olufsen and it's not understandable that they at least don't even ask LG to customize the user interface into Bang & Olufsen style. For me as a customer that's the reason I didn't buy the new generation LGs. It gives the impression of a half baked product that didn't get enough love or where development endend after 90% of the product.
B&O is waaaaaay to small to request such adaptations of LG screens. I guess adding the B&O app in the OS was done after numerous and long negotiations. Adapting the core OS for an extremely limited amount of screens is just not reasonable for LG. We're talking about some 1000's screens on a total volume of probably a couple of million that LG produces.
We're living in a totally different world than 30y ago. At this point there are 1 or 2 factories supplying the whole world with LG screens and B&O is just a tiny customer of LG. The fact that B&O is paying (more or less) the regular price for the screens says it all.
But Loewe, also supplied by LG, is able to make their own interface.
The difference is that Loewe, like all other OLED screen brands uses a screen from LG, while B&O uses an LG TV as a whole and just connects their soundbar to it.
It's a definite dealbreaker to not have any surround capabilities in such a pricey package from B&O!
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Hi Karel,
Are you happy with your Beovision 14 (the 46' version, if i remember)?
Aren't you going to trade it for the new Beovision Contour?
crossbytje:But Loewe, also supplied by LG, is able to make their own interface. The difference is that Loewe, like all other OLED screen brands uses a screen from LG, while B&O uses an LG TV as a whole and just connects their soundbar to it. It's a definite dealbreaker to not have any surround capabilities in such a pricey package from B&O! Beolit 12 - Beolab 4 pc (dead now) - Beoplay H5 - Beolab 9 - BeoRemote One BT - Beoplay M3
Sandyb: Removing the surround capabilities on the Contour is a shame, but is just about justifiable on what is supposed to be a stand alone unit.
Removing the surround capabilities on the Contour is a shame, but is just about justifiable on what is supposed to be a stand alone unit.
It's also an entry-level B&O TV and we forget this. The more features you add, the more it adds to the cost, which we seem to forget, too.
I'm happy with the Contour as it stands. Good design, reasonable price, does what we need for a standalone TV. Lower expectations and it's a fine TV. We also spend so long debating something which is on the market. It's not going to change. Surely we have better things to be doing?
If you want more, move up to the Eclipse.
moxxey:It's also an entry-level B&O TV and we forget this. The more features you add, the more it adds to the cost, which we seem to forget, too. I'm happy with the Contour as it stands. Good design, reasonable price, does what we need for a standalone TV. Lower expectations and it's a fine TV. We also spend so long debating something which is on the market. It's not going to change. Surely we have better things to be doing? If you want more, move up to the Eclipse.
Sandyb:Not sure if you have seen John from Manchesters video on the Contour. He says you cannot use a regular Stage and "make" a Contour. Dont shoot the messenger.
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Steph:Hi Karel, Are you happy with your Beovision 14 (the 46' version, if i remember)? Aren't you going to trade it for the new Beovision Contour?
Oh, yes, i forgot you have the BL8000.
i don’t have Beolabs connected to my BV 10, the TV is in « stand alone » mode so the Contour is perfect.
Anyway, i saw a BV Horizon 48 for circa 3300€, a good price i think
Steph:Oh, yes, i forgot you have the BL8000. i don’t have Beolabs connected to my BV 10, the TV is in « stand alone » mode so the Contour is perfect. Anyway, i saw a BV Horizon 48 for circa 3300€, a good price i think
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Fair question. That's exactly I was asking myself when I integrated LG C9 and the Stage.
leosgonewild:“Can you turn it off, so I can see if it how it looks when it is off?”
So your grandmother is the perfect customer for a Harmony!
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moxxey: Sandyb: Removing the surround capabilities on the Contour is a shame, but is just about justifiable on what is supposed to be a stand alone unit. It's also an entry-level B&O TV and we forget this. The more features you add, the more it adds to the cost, which we seem to forget, too. I'm happy with the Contour as it stands. Good design, reasonable price, does what we need for a standalone TV. Lower expectations and it's a fine TV. We also spend so long debating something which is on the market. It's not going to change. Surely we have better things to be doing? If you want more, move up to the Eclipse.
This is where I and many believe that you are wrong. We’re not asking/expecting more added features. We just don’t want to loose any features from a B&O “entry level” tv. If you compare the specs to the Horizon we have lost functionality and it is what many find unacceptable - firstly in a sense of perceived lack of value and secondly the lack of integration with speakers that we as customers already own and use. The expectation hasn’t been set by us the customer it’s been set by the previous entry level TV by B&O.
It may be on the market but that doesn’t we as consumers don’t have to be happy about it. We just have to look at the changes that happened post release on the Balance.
Sycamore:This is where I and many believe that you are wrong. We’re not asking/expecting more added features. We just don’t want to loose any features from a B&O “entry level” tv. If you compare the specs to the Horizon we have lost functionality and it is what many find unacceptable - firstly in a sense of perceived lack of value and secondly the lack of integration with speakers that we as customers already own and use. The expectation hasn’t been set by us the customer it’s been set by the previous entry level TV by B&O. It may be on the market but that doesn’t we as consumers don’t have to be happy about it. We just have to look at the changes that happened post release on the Balance.
kuyttendaele: B&O is waaaaaay to small to request such adaptations of LG screens. I guess adding the B&O app in the OS was done after numerous and long negotiations. Adapting the core OS for an extremely limited amount of screens is just not reasonable for LG. We're talking about some 1000's screens on a total volume of probably a couple of million that LG produces. We're living in a totally different world than 30y ago. At this point there are 1 or 2 factories supplying the whole world with LG screens and B&O is just a tiny customer of LG. The fact that B&O is paying (more or less) the regular price for the screens says it all.
Actually, the screen part of the first generation Eclipse is custom made by LG for B&O and is sold in a B&O box. It cannot be used as a stand alone TV as it has no speakers and requires the Sound Center for its operation. The case is also custom made in order to fit easily at the top of the Sound Center.
The B&O specific menus such as the PUC and sound settings are integrated in WebOS and the TV starts with Bang & Olufsen on the screen. So, for the first Eclipse a significant amount of customization was made by LG (except for the electronic curtains).
Now, it appears that the same functionality can be achieved with a stock LG TV and the B&O app, resulting is cost reduction.
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I just caught up on yesterday’s podcast and agree entirely with Miki.
Beautiful design and craftsmanship. Given the feature set, it is too expensive. For the price they’re charging, it should have Powerlink capability, or at least WISA to enable adding extra speakers. Maybe a motorized floor stand too.
I know for many like Willie, it would go in a small room or bedroom and a stereo or 5.1 system isn’t in the plan. But for others, it is good size TV for a small living room, such as in Europe, where it may be nice to add small, additional speakers.
It will sell. But it would sell better if the price were reduced given the existing feature set OR if additional features such as PL were added at the existing price.
My two cents.
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I don’t think it will sell, not at that price. In fact I think it will be a complete disaster. Very pessimistic I know but that is my honest feeling about this product. I do hope I am wrong for the sake of B&O and their longevity.
B&O products are V1-32, BS2, H95, E8 and an Essence remote.11-46 now replaced with Sony A90J 65”, Sony HT-A9, Sony UBP-X800M2 and Sony SRS-NS7.
As with many B&O products price is not the first consideration for most buyers; however, it's one thing having a top of the range priced TV with all the bells and whistles and another that lacks either functions that make the value proposition appear worthwhile or an upgrade path to sell more speakers (this makes no commercial sense at all).
With several recent products I am starting to believe that there is a tendency for the normal B&O 'tax' to increase to a level where some may start to feel they are being price-gouged because the belief is that loyal fans (such as myself) will pay almost anything.
I sincerely hope I am wrong.
I don't think the price is outrageous.The Contour costs 40.000 DKR, which includes the wall mount and a Beoremote.The cheapest Stage cost 11.000 DKR
A 48" CX panel cost 10.000 DKR
Beoremote cost 2.200 DKR
The wall mount is about 5.000 DKR (The Contour floor stand is 7.600 DKR and the Stage floor stand is 5000 DKR)
Which equals 28.200 DKR for a DIY solution. In other words the B&O frame and packaging costs about 12.000 DKR (1600€).
1600€ is not cheap, but it is not expensive either. It does however give your a solution which feels complete, and all cables are neatly tucked away.
If you want a wood cover, that will increase the price point about 900€.
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Mikael: I don't think the price is outrageous.The Contour costs 40.000 DKR, which includes the wall mount and a Beoremote.The cheapest Stage cost 11.000 DKR A 48" CX panel cost 10.000 DKR Beoremote cost 2.200 DKR The wall mount is about 5.000 DKR (The Contour floor stand is 7.600 DKR and the Stage floor stand is 5000 DKR) Which equals 28.200 DKR for a DIY solution. In other words the B&O frame and packaging costs about 12.000 DKR (1600€). 1600€ is not cheap, but it is not expensive either. It does however give your a solution which feels complete, and all cables are neatly tucked away. If you want a wood cover, that will increase the price point about 900€.
I agree a 100% as earliere said I paid 1000€ for the ALU cover on my Eclipse, and most members have done that.
And by the why, what is the alternative? Yes many cheaper solutions but nothing that have this finish and materiel.
B&O makes something no one else does, off cause it is not cheap.
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I simply failt to understand many of these argument....
Over the last years many have complained about B&O outsourcing the production to other countries and closing down a great deal of the production in Struer/Denmark - in order to save costs and to be combatable with other brands.
Now we see a Beovision (the Contour) with a massive part of the product being developed, designed and manufactured in Struer. Can it really surprice anyone that this will come at high cost - aren’t people aware of the costs for labour in Denmark?
Personally I am not surpriced that the frame, the stand, the wooden frontcovers etc would be this expensive.
If people want this sort of material and quality made in Denmark, this is what the will have to pay.
The BV Contour is at the same time an electronic product and a piece of art, a well designed (ok, there might be different views here) tv for those who prefer a complete and finished all in one solution.
We are not talking about an entry level B&O product - at least I have never heard B&O talk about the Contour this way.
They simply want to offer a complete and stunning product for those who want/need a smallish tv, that can fit into their otherweise high standart designed living space - something for those who don’t want the mess of a black screen with a soundbar underneath and/or don’t feel a need for having external speakers.
We simply should be glad that we now have yet another offer.....one more solution to choose from, when we are looking for a tv with an excellent (multiroom) sound system built-in.
MM
There is a tv - and there is a BV
Millemissen:designed and manufactured in Struer.
Please, can't you tell where you got the information its is actually manufactured in Denmark?
Millemissen:The BV Contour is at the same time an electronic product and a piece of art,
A piece of Art, Its a nice highly designed appliance, but a "piece of art"? C"mon…
Millemissen:We are not talking about an entry level B&O product
It is an entry level product, by the simple fact it is the "cheapest" TV in the current range, moreover because some usual features have been removed.
Millemissen:for those who don’t want the mess of a black screen with a soundbar underneath
You mean like BV7 owner's?
matador43: Millemissen:for those who don’t want the mess of a black screen with a soundbar underneath You mean like BV7 owner's?
You mean that clumsy thing from the previous century
matador43: Millemissen:designed and manufactured in Struer. Please, can't you tell where you got the information its is actually manufactured in Denmark?
Millemissen didn't write that the tv was manufactured in Denmark - he wrote, that a massive part of it is designed and manufactured in DK.
And it is... The alu parts -such as the frame, the stand etc. - and the wood "grilles".
Millemissen: ...something for those who don’t want the mess of a black screen with a soundbar underneath...
...something for those who don’t want the mess of a black screen with a soundbar underneath...
A mess like this, that costs 4.500 EUR in 65"? What a horrible sight, indeed.
(Well too bad this forum has serious issues with media.)
I see no mess
Maybe if I try a more primitive way...
https://archivedforum2.beoworld.org/forums/p/42796/311021.aspx#311021
Surely not a primitive solution
But one that involves a great deal of DIY’ing etc, which is not for everyone.
Does one solution exckude the other?
Why not just accept the fact that there are costumers for the BV Contour solution.
The more choises we as costumers have, the better. MM
I was just referring to your generalisation of a "mess" that's supposed to be a separate combo.
Btw: zero DIYing. Just bought LG TV, STBBrackets adapters and a BV 7-40 stand separately. Stage and Beoremote One from a local B&O dealer who also assembled it all and set it up.
I like the Contour, and if I would need a 48" TV I would seriously consider it. I get that people challenge its value for money, but I personally am a fan. Also, I kind of like the manual stand.
Millemissen:I simply failt to understand many of these argument.... Over the last years many have complained about B&O outsourcing the production to other countries and closing down a great deal of the production in Struer/Denmark - in order to save costs and to be combatable with other brands. Now we see a Beovision (the Contour) with a massive part of the product being developed, designed and manufactured in Struer. Can it really surprice anyone that this will come at high cost - aren’t people aware of the costs for labour in Denmark? Personally I am not surpriced that the frame, the stand, the wooden frontcovers etc would be this expensive. If people want this sort of material and quality made in Denmark, this is what the will have to pay. The BV Contour is at the same time an electronic product and a piece of art, a well designed (ok, there might be different views here) tv for those who prefer a complete and finished all in one solution. We are not talking about an entry level B&O product - at least I have never heard B&O talk about the Contour this way. They simply want to offer a complete and stunning product for those who want/need a smallish tv, that can fit into their otherweise high standart designed living space - something for those who don’t want the mess of a black screen with a soundbar underneath and/or don’t feel a need for having external speakers. We simply should be glad that we now have yet another offer.....one more solution to choose from, when we are looking for a tv with an excellent (multiroom) sound system built-in. MM There is a tv - and there is a BV.
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AnalogPlanet: I was just referring to your generalisation of a "mess" that's supposed to be a separate combo. Btw: zero DIYing. Just bought LG TV, STBBrackets adapters and a BV 7-40 stand separately. Stage and Beoremote One from a local B&O dealer who also assembled it all and set it up. I like the Contour, and if I would need a 48" TV I would seriously consider it. I get that people challenge its value for money, but I personally am a fan. Also, I kind of like the manual stand.
Mentioning the ‘mess’ was a tiny point in my post. Besides having a Stage/LG combo on the wall - like in the other picture in the same thread - don’t come as easy as your solution.
What I tried to focus on there, was the explanation for why the BV Contour has to be much more expensive than a Stage/LG-tv solution (more or less well setup).
People were complaining about the high costs - I just wanted to point at the reasons for why it has to be that more expensive.
I truly believe that there are enough people who will want to pay that price.
Personally I like the BV Contour more than a‘Stage/LG-tv-somehow-made-solution’.
But I’d never buy into any of them anyway - I am too concerned about multichannel music to have a system without the option of connecting external speakers.
However, I am well aware, that I belong to a very amall minority nowadays.
None the less, I wish any Stage/LG-tv or BV Contour owner a lot of fun with his/her choice.
MM... you make some excellent points and they are extremely valid I agree; specifically the cost of materials being paid for, the labour that goes with that and the build being carried out in Denmark. Of course it would be ridiculous to argue against these well made points and these are what I love about the brand and continue to desire so this is indeed positive.
I suppose I just want some ‘excitement’ from the product as so many products have given me before. For me personally, and it is only a personal opinion, I just can’t get excited about the Contour.
I am in the market for a new tv and if the Contour was priced around £3,000 I am sure I would buy it because it seems to suit that price bracket when I look at it - even with the points you make. Holistically, it just seems to fit that kind of price bracket.
The competition has caught up a lot I think and there are others TVs that have a solid build and look elegant from the front and from the back; the Sony OLEDs (panels via LG of course) being an example. The A1 series with their easel stands would look stunning in anyone’s home. Therefore an offering from B&O has to give a lot more and the Contour for me, is just a little bit more and the only ‘little bit more is the frame. Many others would say the speaker too and of course that leaves the Sony behind by a mile but for my purposes, the Sony would still be good enough as is and even if not a Stage add on is still way cheaper if even needed.
I mentioned in the other thread about the Contour that I would pay £8,000 for a TV these days and £10,000 for a good set of speakers. I’ve reflected on that somewhat since writing it but actually, I don’t think I’ll ever spend more than £5,000 on a TV again at the very most. I can’t tell you exactly why that it is but it is about getting something for your money I think, so value proposition to an extent. It’s not about affordability, which I suspect is the case for many here, so that tells us something as well doesn’t it? Some people (granted not all) want something else. There’s people who just want the B&O badge regardless of the product offering and will pay any asking price yes, but there’s just as many also that actually want the product to be worth it.
I want something unique; something that looks different; something that excites. This isn’t the Contour and it wasn’t an Eclipse either. It is the Harmony, but for £5,000 (OK, maybe £7,000 at a push) but definitely not £14,500. I just think that’s a silly amount of money to spend on a television.
Perhaps as I enter my early 50s I am just not that interested in paying these kinds of prices anymore; I want and expect (right or wrong) a lot more. I accept that it may be I am slowly moving away from the brand and the novelty maybe be fading somewhat - who knows? I find myself more and more content these days and not really that excited to like I used to be. Just a thought, Simon.
The Beonic Man:MM... you make some excellent points and they are extremely valid I agree; specifically the cost of materials being paid for, the labour that goes with that and the build being carried out in Denmark. Of course it would be ridiculous to argue against these well made points and these are what I love about the brand and continue to desire so this is indeed positive. I suppose I just want some ‘excitement’ from the product as so many products have given me before. For me personally, and it is only a personal opinion, I just can’t get excited about the Contour. I am in the market for a new tv and if the Contour was priced around £3,000 I am sure I would buy it because it seems to suit that price bracket when I look at it - even with the points you make. Holistically, it just seems to fit that kind of price bracket. The competition has caught up a lot I think and there are others TVs that have a solid build and look elegant from the front and from the back; the Sony OLEDs (panels via LG of course) being an example. The A1 series with their easel stands would look stunning in anyone’s home. Therefore an offering from B&O has to give a lot more and the Contour for me, is just a little bit more and the only ‘little bit more is the frame. Many others would say the speaker too and of course that leaves the Sony behind by a mile but for my purposes, the Sony would still be good enough as is and even if not a Stage add on is still way cheaper if even needed. I mentioned in the other thread about the Contour that I would pay £8,000 for a TV these days and £10,000 for a good set of speakers. I’ve reflected on that somewhat since writing it but actually, I don’t think I’ll ever spend more than £5,000 on a TV again at the very most. I can’t tell you exactly why that it is but it is about getting something for your money I think, so value proposition to an extent. It’s not about affordability, which I suspect is the case for many here, so that tells us something as well doesn’t it? Some people (granted not all) want something else. There’s people who just want the B&O badge regardless of the product offering and will pay any asking price yes, but there’s just as many also that actually want the product to be worth it. I want something unique; something that looks different; something that excites. This isn’t the Contour and it wasn’t an Eclipse either. It is the Harmony, but for £5,000 (OK, maybe £7,000 at a push) but definitely not £14,500. I just think that’s a silly amount of money to spend on a television. Perhaps as I enter my early 50s I am just not that interested in paying these kinds of prices anymore; I want and expect (right or wrong) a lot more. I accept that it may be I am slowly moving away from the brand and the novelty maybe be fading somewhat - who knows? I find myself more and more content these days and not really that excited to like I used to be. Just a thought, Simon. BV11-46, BV8-32, V1-32, BS2, P6, A1, E8, BR1, Essence
I have visited a dealer today to see the contour in real life. Looks really good and has a real B&O feel with the aluminium frame. I really like it.
Has anybody seen a contour in real life with the other frame color or with the wooden speaker cover?
Dealer told me that the choice for wooden back panel was made to have better aqoustics qualities for the stage built in. We did comparison and that indeed seems to be the case with the contour version having more warmth.
Sound quality and clarity seemed very convincing to me.
Still doubting if I should exchange my V1 with beolab 3 and beolab 19 for just contour. I like the style of the contour and was impressed by sound, but I doubt it can replace setup with subwoofer as there is no connectivity with other speakers.
Any feedback from stage owner who also have beolab 3 or 19?l how it compares?